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Not sure where you're going with the teenage thing but whatever; I won't engage.
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As if I'm the first to complain about the angle and bulky grip. That's the number one complaint with glocks and there are endless comments from calgunners to provide it. With a large vote agreeing with me, that should say a lot. Glocks are great guns but I join the many that never clicked with one; that's all. If you were able to blend with a one, then congrats to you.
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What I'm saying is that it's not a problem like many tell themselves, there is no "correct" angle and the "bulkyness is easily controlled by both large and small (aka a teenage girl's) hands. Too many people worry about some great "feel" in your hands when you're not shooting instead of how it shoots in your if you know what you're doing. On a side note, the Gen 4 ergonomics definitely helps out for many complaining.My opinions are my own and do not represent the position of other companies I may be involved with.Comment
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After giving myself a real chance to like Glocks this is what I've discovered. The fact that its shaped like a brick and feels like one is a non issue when actually shooting the gun. I will admit that something about the angled backstrap may push some people to initially shoot high, but once again, after a little time this is easily compensated for and is a non issue. I wish I could say that the smaller backstrap on the Gen 4 Glocks really make a difference to me but I just end up putting a Grip Force Adapter on all of mine that the frame ends up being approximately the same size as the earlier versions. Although it is nice that I can have a beavertail along with a standard sized frame.Comment
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1911 is the best polymer handgun on the market.
Ergo: 9.7
Trigger: 10
Recoil: 9
That's right, 1911 takes the cake. Yes, my Kimber does have polymer in it...the mainspring housing and the grips. That counts!Comment
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It’s probably safe to say that most gun/pistol enthusiast factor in the “feel” of a gun in their hand as significant part of the decision making to buy it. Regardless of how it performs, and we all know the glocks score high in performance, shouldn’t a gun mold nicely in your hand? Shouldn’t the angle be just right to adjust ergonomically to the human hand? Outside of guns, shouldn’t any tool that we use fit comfortably in our hand?
And yes, I’ve considered the Gen4 Glock, but like everything else, they appear to be hard to find right now and have yet to hold one.Last edited by GunHo; 02-06-2013, 2:19 PM.Comment
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I was pointing out how little sense 90% of the comments in this thread have made. There is no such thing as a "best" anything. If there was...there wouldn't be a hundred others out there.
The most compelling argument anyone could make is that the majority of law enforcement agencies use Glocks. That doesn't necessarily mean much though, it could (and probably is) just a comibination of good marketing and pricing to LE Agencies.
I hate Walthers, I dislike Glocks, I'm not a fan of M&Ps. Should that affect anybody else's decision making? Not the least bit.Comment
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And when only ONE make requires that much compensation to point properly is where the problem comes in. I don't want to own a gun where I have to consciously think "point lower" if I ever had to draw. It's adding inconsistency into the mix. Sigs, HKs, 1911s, Walthers, S&Ws, and just about everything else out there points naturally within 1-2 inches at 15 yards. The Glock is on average high about 10 inches. That is a huge difference and while I'm sure it's something I could get used to and not even think about anymore, it would also mean all the other guns would start feeling awkward. Given that a Glock offers nothing special except a huge aftermarket of upgrade parts and gear, there is no reason why I should ruin my ability to shoot every other gun just so I can say I can shoot a Glock. From my experience those with huge bear claw hands don't notice much difference with the grip angle, but for the other 70-80% of the population it is a large difference.
And whoever brought up the teenage girl comment... what an idiot thing to say. There are very few teenage girls who even know how to shoot properly much less know whether or not the way the gun sits in their hand promotes efficient rates of fire.
All in all the Glock is very similar to an Apple product with the exception of pricing. Amazing marketing and owned vastly by ignorant idiots who don't understand what they're spending their money on. I could pick another manufacturer and get a better product for around the same cost plus or minus $100.
Looking for lower bore axis? M&P
Looking for great ergos? PPQ
Looking for reliability under the most adverse conditions? FNS
Looking for aesthetics? Pretty much anything else
When the Glock first came out they were amazing for what they were. Reliable, lightweight, accurate, and cheap. But now they're more expensive, there are guns just as reliable, lightweight, and accurate, if not more so.
As for bore axis, felt recoil, and running the gun. Go prove it with an unbiased shooter and a shot timer. When I lived in WA, I timed one of my IPSC friends shooting a practice stage with various guns. With an M&P with an upgraded Apex competition trigger and a HK USP with a LEM trigger he was on average slower by .02 seconds with the USP. In other words, the difference is so small between perceived recoil and the effects of higher vs. lower bore axis that 99% of gun owners won't even have a measureable difference thus pointless to review a firearm based on such metrics.
In fact the more important metrics of measuring felt recoil, feel, and time back on target should be based on unlocking times, recoil spring weight, slight weight, and hammer spring weight. Funny enough, 2 of those 4 can be changed very easily and the other 2 can also be changed with a little effort if the user was so inclined.
So yes, the original review was biased, pertaining little to no important useful facts about the firearms being reviewed, and near worthless for the casual shooter who was the target audience.Originally posted by JeremySComment
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I agree with the OP here. I honestly dislike the XD and XDMs, I just can't run with them.
I have M&Ps that Im really trying hard to love, but even after dropping the APEX parts in it, I can't get ove rthe reset as well as a glock.
Boring Glock ftw, sigh.For Sale!!
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There is no right or wrong grip angle, some prefer Glock like and some prefer Sig/H&K like (BTW, the M&P is about in the middle). You shooting horrible with a Glock is 100% a problem with you. The only truly ignorant person in this thread is you. I know that many of the other Glock aficionados here have or do own most of the guns discussed so far.
And since you live in a bubble, here's an example of a teenage girl that has no problem with the blocky grip or its angle:
Tori Nonaka is one of two members of Team GLOCK and a junior shooting champion. She hails from Woodbridge, Virginia, where she began shooting at age 3. At age 12, Tori attended the US Shooting Academy, which sparked her interest in becoming a professional shooter which led her to begin shooting competitively. On March 2, 2011, GLOCK, Inc announced that 15 year old Tori would be a member of Team GLOCK Shooting Squad.
Tori has competed in various disciplines, including USPSA, SSCA, IPSC, IDPA, Bianchi & GSSF. In 2010, Tori earned the titles of USPSA National Juniors Champion in Limited 10 competition, the US Steel National Super Junior, and IDPA National Junior Champion. Already in 2011, Tori has taken home the titles of USPSA Area 6 Top Production Lady and High Junior, Pro AM High Junior and High A Class in the Limited Division.
In October 2011, Tori will be competing on the Ladies Standard Team at the IPSC World Shoot XVI in Rhodes, Greece, where she will be one of 44 shooters from the 11 squads representing the US.
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Even better, I'll give you 5!!
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Because it spits hot fire!
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I really need to look in my storage to find your GFA's 
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