My open carry story (eventless!)

[mike100]

Should I post a story "I took a dump today"?

The only time it is really worth its own topic is if something did happen. You could choose to post in the 14 other threads about this same thing.

I think this deserves its own thread..Gives us sense of how N. Co and San Diego residents react. Might want to get back to us when you run into LE or somebody in one of the beach communities. Seems that Walmart is the place to go looking for trouble. Or how 'bout Starbucks? That's basically the modern equivalent of the Donut Shop.

Anyhow, about the magazine thing.. revolver speedloaders are not required for a revolver to work(not considered part of the gun), so they aren't going to count as a loaded firearm.

[pullnshoot25]

ha you did this in Claremont your a lucky bastard then. i know its legal but in that city and my neighboring upland you just asking to be harassed. good luck

Claremont is in LA. Clairemont is near La Jolla, in SD county.

[diginit]

Been reading awhile

Alot of interesting points being made here. the law in Calipornia states that Any firearm CAPABLE of being concealed must be in a locked case during transportation. And then only to the shooting location! Oh. and those little 22 cal belt buckle guns have been illegal to carry for years.
Kinda hate to bring it up, but hasn't anyone here been to the Ca. OAG website?

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

[Soldier415]

Should I post a story "I took a dump today"?

The only time it is really worth its own topic is if something did happen. You could choose to post in the 14 other threads about this same thing.

I have just mailed your VIP invitation to the Player Hater's Ball...

[Liberty1]

Alot of interesting points being made here. the law in Calipornia (new spelling? I like it!)states that Any firearm CAPABLE of being concealed must be in a locked case during transportation. And then only to the shooting location! Oh. and those little 22 cal belt buckle guns have been illegal to carry for years.
Kinda hate to bring it up, but hasn't anyone here been to the Ca. OAG website?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

While the DOJ site is good for cliff notes those notes are sometimes a little lacking in what they don't include. We here prefer to go directly to the penal code for the full monty http://law.justia.com/california/codes/pen.html. And here are our cliff notes http://www.paul.net/guns/CaliforniaOpenCarry.pdf

Case in point:

DOJ http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/travel.php

Traveling with Firearms in California
HANDGUNS
California Penal Code section 12025 does not prevent a citizen of the United States over 18 years of age who is not lawfully prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, from transporting by motor vehicle any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person provided the firearm is unloaded and stored in a locked container.

what they've chosen to not include is that 12025 also "does not prevent" the open carrying of a concealable firearm which is codified in (f) as an example of what is not concealed.

12025. (a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when
he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her
control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which he
or she is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.

(f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed
within the meaning of this section.

[diginit]

The Name just seemed to naturally fit. . You understand,I'm sure,That I want to completely certain of all updated laws before I take a walk with my Kimber and 4 mags. This is what I would be wearing. They may be jelous that they may be outgunned.



I've downloaded the open carry pdf. and plan to have it with me. I know the law changed again this year. Think I would I have to mention false arrest? how do I get around the wording in "Any firearm CAPABLE of being concealed must be in a locked case during transportation." This is worded the same way for permanent Calp. residents.

"While the DOJ site is good for cliff notes those notes are sometimes a little lacking in what they don't include."

I really thought it was strange that the DOJ search enginge had almost nothing on open carry and similar searches. Thanks for the links. Looks like i have some more reading to do...

[Liberty1]

Do become fully familiar with the pamphlet but DO go to the PC and read every section it references for more understanding/context. Read the case laws too!

Also buy "how to own a gun and stay out of jail". He is not really an OC fan but the information is good easy reading.

Get a tape recorder and read the posts at opencarry.org from the other states, Virginia in particular.

It is also not a bad idea to review your 4th A. rights here http://www.flexyourrights.org/

[diginit]

(f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed
within the meaning of this section....
So which section covers belt holsters? There has to be a catch somewhere.
I can understand why cops don't want the public to carry, But don't they understand that someday we may be their backup if needed or summoned to do so? If some nut went crazy and started shooting women and kids in a mall at least I could give the idiot something else to think about if I was armed. (I don't think I could run and hide anyways.)Besides, Maybe the nut would think twice about commiting the crime if he (or she) knew someone there may injure them before they could succeed.

OK Just took a walk around the block in Santa Clara with my kimber and 4 mags. Got a couple strange looks and one "Is he carrying a gun? then, He must be a cop..." just within earshot. No encounters with the SCPD. I was kinda waiting in the front yard to see if they were called. Nothin yet.
It is plain to see that EVERYONE thinks carrying a gun is illegal or some sort of special police right of passage.
Can someone print up T-shirts with 12025 on the front and the 2nd amendment on the back? J.

[Liberty1]

(f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed
within the meaning of this section....
So which section covers belt holsters?

In the penal code there are Titles such as the "CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS" followed by "Chapters" and "Articles". Chapters starting with 12000 deal with firearms. Sections are each separate individual numbered law. 12025 is a section. And sub-sections which are denoted by a section number followed by (a),(1),(A),(i),(ii),(iii) etc...

Subsection (f) refers to its "parent" section; the 12025 concealed violation (aka "section").

Do pay attention to 12031e. It is in the open carry flier I hope you've studied as it is an important sub-section to be aware of while open carrying in a loaded prohibited zone like an incorporated city. It allows any law enforcement officer to detain you for the purposes of checking to see if your firearm is loaded. Failure to allow the search subjects you to arrest as if you'd actually violated the section. Are you carrying a tape recorder too?

[diginit]

I may get a tape recorder. But I've been told that is illegal to record ANYONE ,video or audio, including peace officers without their knowledge and approval.
This may calm them down if they approve. But I doubt they would.

[Liberty1]

I may get a tape recorder. But I've been told that is illegal to record ANYONE ,video or audio, including peace officers without their knowledge and approval.
This may calm them down if they approve. But I doubt they would.

In CA, you have no "expectation of privacy" when in public. Same with peace officers. I have no expectation of privacy at the police station or while performing my job so tape away no consent is needed.

[CombatMP]

In CA, you have no "expectation of privacy" when in public. Same with peace officers. I have no expectation of privacy at the police station or while performing my job so tape away no consent is needed.

Thanks, very usefull info

[diginit]

I've found it enlighting myself. It's funny that nobody I've spoken with knows any of this. I think people should be better informed since we are all supposed to know the law anyways.
Just for fun Check this out. http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/j...nCarryDraw.flv it takes awhile to draw and load a weapon.

[grammaton76]

-Went to Blockbuster to pick out a movie (Last of the Mohicans). I drove to this place, carrying the firearm in a locked bag per Kalifornia rules and holstered it before walking in. Not a peep from anyone, not even a raised eyebrow.

Not very surprising. I have had a lot of gun-related conversations with some of the staff there.

[GuyW]

In CA, you have no "expectation of privacy" when in public. Same with peace officers. I have no expectation of privacy at the police station or while performing my job so tape away no consent is needed.

Ever read about police in CA forceably taking people's still cameras and video cameras after such were used in a public place? I can imagine the reaction when you ask one of those guys for permission to tape...