Range Drama

[Kodemonkey]

wow guys, i have 2 neighbors who are chp. they both told me if they pull you over with a locked box with a pistol and loaded mags in that locked case. they will arrest you. also they would cite you or possibly arrest you if you have a un loaded handgun in a locked case and the ammo is in the same compartment/ cab of pickup or inside a car. and they both told me this includes ammo locked in one box and pistol locked in totally sperate box/case.

Send them a link to the CGF press release I just posted.

Then send them to the CHP website and have them read their own departments FAQ.

I'm sure there are many lawyers that would love to sue the CHP. The thing that gets me in the LASD battle is that the watch commander even said the guns were unloaded but they still arrested him.

[Seaweed02]

That's why I am Extra careful

wow guys, i have 2 neighbors who are chp. they both told me if they pull you over with a locked box with a pistol and loaded mags in that locked case. they will arrest you. also they would cite you or possibly arrest you if you have a un loaded handgun in a locked case and the ammo is in the same compartment/ cab of pickup or inside a car. and they both told me this includes ammo locked in one box and pistol locked in totally sperate box/case.

That is the reason I am EXTRA careful. I believe I said "anal" because it is too much. But I drive knowing I don't have to depend on someone else interpreting the law the same way I do. It's one of those things where you may beat the charge when it is all over, but you ain't going to beat the ride today. And you may not beat the charge either.

[quiet-wyatt]

wow guys, i have 2 neighbors who are chp. they both told me if they pull you over with a locked box with a pistol and loaded mags in that locked case. they will arrest you. also they would cite you or possibly arrest you if you have a un loaded handgun in a locked case and the ammo is in the same compartment/ cab of pickup or inside a car. and they both told me this includes ammo locked in one box and pistol locked in totally sperate box/case.

Well, sounds like they'll be making some false arrests then...

If what they say is true, then NO ONE would be able to go to the range to shoot. Are you supposed to transport your unloaded, locked firearm to the range, leave it there, then go home and transport your ammo to the range???

Ridiculous...

[JeremyS]

...you didn't read the CHP FAQ. It clearly says that the magazines are to be unloaded.

Are you kidding me? It says NOTHING of the sort. It says, in plain freaking English: "...but the handgun must remain unloaded with no rounds in the cylinder and no loaded magazines in the magazine well..."

That CLEARLY means that loaded magazines are LEGAL as long as they are not inserted in the gun. It absolutely does not say that magazines themselves must be empty, and I have no clue how you come to that conclusion. The way the law works is that if it is not specifically stated as being illegal, then it is legal. The government does not have to give you permission for every possible thing you can do. No where in the law will you see it ever say "it's okay to do XY and Z." It tells you what you cannot do. Keeping magazines loaded is not prohibited.

You should be so lucky as to be falsely arrested. Get some settlement out of it and scare the FUD out of the police and gun shop employees who don't understand the law. Plenty of 2A lawyers would represent for free, if it was even necessary. More likely, the prosecutor would review the law and would realize that they couldn't charge you with breaking it, since you didn't. The misinterpretation by the police officer would = false arrest.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html#05

and they both told me this includes ammo locked in one box and pistol locked in totally separate box/case.

^^^ that is SO clearly wrong, it's ridiculous. They're telling you that it's illegal to have ammo and gun in a vehicle no matter how they are stored. That's so very obviously incorrect. They're probably F'ing with you. +1 on directing them to their very own freakin CHP.gov website (see link above) so they can see it with their own two eyes.

[LooseCannon]

I had a gun store "attendant" tell me the same thing, they are idiots.

I believe this is derived from older CHP guidance that has now been corrected to actually match the law, the Patrolman are still catching up (but some of the stores are just hopeless).

[DVSmith]

I always find this particular discussion interesting. I am not in the habit of keeping loaded magazines laying around and I certainly wouldn't pre-load them before going to the range. For some neurotic reason, I will even unload my home SD handgun if I am taking it along. I travel with my ammo in an ammo case or sometimes just the wallmart bag it came in. My guns are in a locked soft case. The magazines are almost anywhere. Some in my range bag, some in the guns, who knows.

[dboyack603]

I was with yokstar and this guy really did say he was scared of his ruger sr22 with loaded mags. On a side note this dude had a bandoleer for a belt with a wheel gun on his hip and a doc holiday mustache

[LooseCannon]

I was with yokstar and this guy really did say he was scared of his ruger sr22 with loaded mags. On a side note this dude had a bandoleer for a belt with a wheel gun on his hip and a doc holiday mustache

Totally stuck in the past...

(But the stache could be cool)

[Seaweed02]

Doc Holiday?

I was with yokstar and this guy really did say he was scared of his ruger sr22 with loaded mags. On a side note this dude had a bandoleer for a belt with a wheel gun on his hip and a doc holiday mustache

should have asked ole Doc Holiday if he was your huckleberry.

[Ronin2]

Here's the complete section from the CHP website, a website I am SURE the dept's in house attorneys had to sign off on before it was posted.


I will be traveling to California and want to carry my weapon. I currently have a concealed weapon permit. How can I legally transport my weapon while driving through the state?
California law does not recognize concealed weapon permits from other states; therefore, they would not be held valid. If you wish to transport a handgun during your California visit, it should be carried unloaded in a locked container. In the absence of a suitable container, you may secure the unloaded handgun in the locked trunk of a passenger car. Ammunition may be kept in the same container or trunk, but the handgun must remain unloaded with no rounds in the cylinder and no loaded magazines in the magazine well.


How anti 2nd amendment LEO's and prosecutors want to play it is up to them at least initially. It seems to me that this is a pretty fair defense in court should you find yourself being abused by the system .

[Ronin2]

wow guys, i have 2 neighbors who are chp. they both told me if they pull you over with a locked box with a pistol and loaded mags in that locked case. they will arrest you. also they would cite you or possibly arrest you if you have a un loaded handgun in a locked case and the ammo is in the same compartment/ cab of pickup or inside a car. and they both told me this includes ammo locked in one box and pistol locked in totally sperate box/case.

How could you possibly ever go to the range? Two trips... One with the gun and another trip with the ammo...ROFL

[JaMail]

OP, you did the right thing, you showed them what is says on the CHP website. If they continue to argue at that point, nothing you can say will convince them otherwise


You seriously cant fight ignorance / pride / vanity. Very few people can admit they are wrong, even when confronted with rock solid proof of their wrongness. it just gets them more riled up, like your trying to pull a prank on them, or are calling them stupid (even if they are acting that way).

It always amazes me that just because someone works at a range, or is a LEO, people take what they say as gospel.

I hired a skeet coach for my wife at triple b clays, nice guy, great guy, but the second i pulled my shotguns from the back of the mini van, he said if i was pulled over i would be arrested since the shotguns were not in locked containers. I explained to him that was incorrect and he really should do some research on it.


I've had that argument with a CHP friend of mine, about loaded mag's in the same container, i referred him to the CHP site, he still didint believe it, i told him to get his cheat sheet book out and show me the code and he couldnt.

[SilverTauron]

The problem we have is a discrepancy between what is legal and what actuall is enforced.

Legally speaking loaded mags are kosher. What is enforced by the misguided police officers of CA is that its a verboten practice subject to arrest.

It's a similar situation to IL residents transporting guns in the trunk of their cars. Legally speaking in the Land of Lincoln you can travel by car, train or by foot with a pistol so long as its encased and unloaded. Realistically speaking you'll be jailed in Northeast IL if your weapon isn't locked in a hard case , despite it not being state law.

If the cops enforce FUD with the same weight as state law , you options are to comply or file suit after the fact. For what it's worth, most people will advise gun owners to comply with the not-law to ensure customers and patrons don't get jailed on the way to and from the range

[SilverTauron]

The problem we have is a discrepancy between what is legal and what actuall is enforced.

Legally speaking loaded mags are kosher. What is enforced by the misguided police officers of CA is that its a verboten practice subject to arrest.

It's a similar situation to IL residents transporting guns in the trunk of their cars. Legally speaking in the Land of Lincoln you can travel by car, train or by foot with a pistol so long as its encased and unloaded. Realistically speaking you'll be jailed in Northeast IL if your weapon isn't locked in a hard case , despite it not being state law.

If the cops enforce FUD with the same weight as state law , you options are to comply or file suit after the fact. For what it's worth, most people will advise gun owners to comply with the not-law to ensure customers and patrons don't get jailed on the way to and from the range

[tbc]

How could you possibly ever go to the range? Two trips... One with the gun and another trip with the ammo...ROFL

Please don't give the antis this idea.


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