Ruger SR9

[ViPER395]

A family member has been yearning for one of these new pistols since he saw one in a magazine or something. I've searched here, and read the goods.

So does anyone know if the Ruger SR9 will be resubmitted for DOJ approval, and if so, when?

He really wants this piece, and he's talked to the local shops around Sac, who seem to all be singing the same tune, that it has to pass the DOJ test, but they give no details. Now, from my reading here, I see that it was rejected, and that it won't be submitted or resubmitted, per Ruger reps.

Is this the final word on the SR9 and California legality? Are we not ever going to see this here?

I have accepted that there will be hardly any new pistols in CA, but I don't want to tell him to forget about it unless I get some more word on it.

Thanks for any info.

[Quiet]

From what I heard, the Ruger SR9 didn't pass the LCI requirement and Ruger has no intention of resubmitting it.

They will eventually filter into CA, as people from other states moving to CA may bring some in or LEOs might sell some used ones. So, just keep an eye on the "used" handgun market if you are still interested in aquiring one.

[bwiese]

Appears Ruger talked to NRA CA people for advice, then thoroughly ignored it because they thought they could blow it thru - and ended up with this end result.

[drclark]

Does anyone know the details of why the sr9 failed the LCI requirement?

looking at this pdf

http://ruger.com/SR9/SellSheet.pdf

It appears to have both an external extractor and a loaded chamber tab on the top of the slide at the rear of the chamber (similar to the XD).

I thought on other firearms, either of these features counted as an LCI??? So what is the reason these features don't count for the ruger? Do they not protrude enough when a round is chambered? Or did the DOJ suddenly change its definition of what an LCI is?

Does the DOJ have an actual specification of what the minimum requirements an LCI must meet? If not, could ruger sue to get their gun on the list if they so desired?

drc

[Quiet]

Or did the DOJ suddenly change its definition of what an LCI is?

Does the DOJ have an actual specification of what the minimum requirements an LCI must meet? If not, could ruger sue to get their gun on the list if they so desired?

drc

(My $0.02) Like everything else, CA DOJ likes to keep stuff vague so they can change their minds and/or make stuff up as they go.


CA Penal Code 12126
(c) As used in this section, a "chamber load indicator" means a device that plainly indicates that a cartridge is in the firing chamber. A device satisfies this definition if it is readily visible, has incorporated or adjacent explanatory text or graphics, or both, and is designed and intended to indicate to a reasonably foreseeable adult user of the pistol, without requiring the user to refer to a user's manual or any other resource other than the pistol itself, whether a cartridge is in the firing chamber.

[bwiese]

LCI specs are in regulatory code Title 11 Sec 4060 (11 CCR 4060), implemented after SB489's passage:

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter6.pdf

(d)(1) A functioning chamber load indicator must meet all of the following conditions:

(A) Explanatory text and/or graphics either incorporated within the chamber load indicator or
adjacent to the chamber load indicator is/are permanently displayed by engraving, stamping,
etching, molding, casting, or other means of permanent marking.

(B) Each letter of explanatory text must have a minimum height of 1/16".

(C) The explanatory text and/or graphics shall be of a distinct visual contrast to that of the firearm.

(D) The “loaded” indication, that portion of the chamber load indicator that visually indicates there
is a round in the chamber, shall be of a distinct color contrast to the firearm.

(E) Only when there is a round in the chamber, the “loaded” indication is visible on the firearm from
a distance of at least twenty-four inches. When there is no round in the chamber, the “loaded” indication
must not be visible.

(F) The text and/or graphics and the “loaded” indication together inform a reasonably foreseeable adult
user of the pistol, that a round is in the chamber, without requiring the user to refer to a user’s manual.

Ruger asked NRA CA folks, ignored their advice and went on their own way. This was not a case that they refused to participate in CA's market, it's that they were stupid and did not understand that regulations have force of law.

[drclark]

Wow, thanks for the info. Under that definition of LCI, I don't think my XD's meet that requirement, let alone most of the other pistols currently on the list.

Next they'll want a flashing light, audible alarm and the text in spanish as well.

drc

[Rugerman]

Ruger SR9

Well, I had been looking at a specific SA 1911 but after handling it, I'm looking for something else.


I've found a liking towards 9mm some how, so I've been looking into a lot of 9mm pistols. I liked the FNP-9 but I heard a lot of stories about parts breaking.

As I was looking around GunsAndAmmoMag.com I saw the Ruger SR9 and I liked the looks a lot. Plus, in the test video, they fired a new, straight out of the box SR9, without one FTE/FTF after 7300 rounds.

So, has anyone used or have a SR9? I'm really really interested in one.



Thanks!

[mymonkeyman]

Not going to be easy to get in California since it is not listed and probably won't be listed.

[ViPER395]

Wow, thanks for the info. Under that definition of LCI, I don't think my XD's meet that requirement, let alone most of the other pistols currently on the list.

Next they'll want a flashing light, audible alarm and the text in spanish as well.

drc

Pitiful. Looks like the end of most new model pistols into the CA market.

Which i'm sure was the real intention the whole time.

f you, California.

[Quiet]

Ongoing thread about the Ruger SR9.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=92712

[Rugerman]

GOD D,..... God Bless California.




Why does the DOJ do this to me!?!?!?!?!??!?!

[ViPER395]

Ongoing thread about the Ruger SR9.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=92712

Thats a link to this thread

[Quiet]

Thats a link to this thread

Link was original posted in Rugerman's thread about the Ruger SR9.
Looks like someone combined Rugerman's thread and your thread about the Ruger SR9.