I am doing something wrong, but what exectly is it?

[Palmaris]

Hello guys.
I have a problem and asking your help to understand what I am doing wrong. I recently got HK USP 9mm FS, brand new from gun shop. And whatever I do, I can shoot it straight. I am not saying I am the best, but below pic how I am doing with my P220. I can do the same with my GP100 or my SP2022. And I know for sure it is not gun (I ask really professional guy to try and he made 1 hole diameter less then 1" on 7 yards right on bull's eye).
It is me doing something wrong, I can't get it what exactly. I shoot all left about 2".
On all my other guns I have sights from factory, I didn't tune them and I am good with them.
Please give any idea where I am lacking.

Thank you very much.

[Predaxian]

Are you shooting a tight group, but 2" to the left of your point of aim?

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[Palmaris]

Are you shooting a tight group, but 2" to the left of your point of aim?

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Nope, no tight at all, may be 4"-5" dia.

[P5Ret]

Hard to say what the issue is without seeing you shoot, and the target. USP's and I have never gotten along when it comes to shooting, it could be something simple like you just haven't gotten used to the trigger on the USP compared to the sig. Don't give up on it get a friend to watch you shoot both and ensure that you are running both guns the same, or have him/her video it and you watch and see if you notice differences.

[Palmaris]

Hard to say what the issue is without seeing you shoot, and the target. USP's and I have never gotten along when it comes to shooting, it could be something simple like you just haven't gotten used to the trigger on the USP compared to the sig. Don't give up on it get a friend to watch you shoot both and ensure that you are running both guns the same, or have him/her video it and you watch and see if you notice differences.

That is excellent idea to video tape it. Thanks a lot.
Regarding target, well, it is all over the paper on the left side 4"'-5" dia

[Predaxian]

Nope, no tight at all, may be 4"-5" dia.

Well, that sounds more like an anticipating recoil/flinch problem than anything else, especially given that the other guy shot well with it. Try concentrating on trigger control/reset with lots of dry fire practice and see if you improve.

Every gun is different - you are a good shooter with your Sig - if you can't get there with the HK, it may not be a good match for you.

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[9mmepiphany]

It would really help if we could see how you shoot:
How you are gripping?
How you are applying gripping force?
How you are pulling the trigger?

I've done some shooting with various USP, P2000 and the P30 and they have all been very accurate...but they do have long trigger pulls, which can lead to anticipation jerks on the trigger

[Seaweed02]

If your friend goes with you

If you are going to have a friend video tape you, then ask for this help as well. Buy a pack of snap caps for the gun, then have your friend load them into the magazine alternating between the real bullets, and then put it into the gun for you. That way you don't know where the snap caps are in the shooting sequence. See if you are jerking the trigger that way. I can't miss with my USP Compact.

[the86d]

Does this help?

http://www.gunlink.info/targets/PistolChartR1S.pdf

[Palmaris]

Good morning guys.
Thank you very much for your input.
Next time I go to shoot, I will video tape it and post it here.
Now, trigger deferentially is different compare to my sigs, both my sigs are about 3.2-3.5 Lbs pull, on USP 4,3 Lbs. And travel on USP much longer.
One thing I really don't like is as Predaxian mentioned, it is possible that USP is not "my" gun. Well, I will not give up easy for sure.
According to pistol correction chart, I am in the area which called "Too little Trigger Finger". What does it mean?

Thx everybody for your input.

[redcliff]

Good morning guys.
Thank you very much for your input.
Next time I go to shoot, I will video tape it and post it here.
Now, trigger deferentially is different compare to my sigs, both my sigs are about 3.2-3.5 Lbs pull, on USP 4,3 Lbs. And travel on USP much longer.
One thing I really don't like is as Predaxian mentioned, it is possible that USP is not "my" gun. Well, I will not give up easy for sure.
According to pistol correction chart, I am in the area which called "Too little Trigger Finger". What does it mean?

Thx everybody for your input.

Too little trigger finger means you aren't inserting your trigger finger far enough into the trigger housing to be able to pull straight back; you're pushing left as you pull and moving your shots to the left. It may be a technique problem or it may be an ergonomic problem based upon your pistols trigger reach versus your hand size.

This is common on many pistols these days due to long trigger reaches on some da handguns and those with wide high capacity double column magazines and correspondingly thick grips.

Even on a relatively thin 1911 I still prefer short triggers in order to get a straighter trigger pull and I have average size hands.

[Palmaris]

Redcliff, thank you very much, your comment explain everything. At some point in my life i got in accident at work and tip of index finger is missing, about 3/8 of a inch (was cut off during the surgery). Well i guess, i will need get rid of this gun.

[Manolito]

There are a lot of people that disagree with what I am going to say so keep in mind I am only offering a suggestion. They make a trigger shoe that makes the trigger a little wider and can be removed very easily. it is inexpensive and possibly a friend may have one you can borrow. Just a thought before you get rid of the gun. The thought is your finger does not penetrate the trigger housing group far enough and you are pushing the weapon to the left with the force of firing. Possibly the shoe will allow your pressure to keep the gun in position.

Good Luck and remember as long as it is long enough to pick your nose it is not a disability.

[HighLander51]

You have to get the fundatmentals down, stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. Start with this from David Sevigny

http://www.frequency.com/video/dave-sevigny-gi/35214001

[stphnman20]

How much range time have you had with the HK? If not much, you need a lot of practice. I say this because you are familiar with your Sig. Not so much with the HK. With practice, the HK will become natural just like you are with your Sig.

Practice, practice, practice!