PPT

[zoid52]

Do the transactions have to be made in person? Can I send a handgun from a FFL to another FFL and do the transfer that way?

[ohsmily]

Do the transactions have to be made in person? Can I send a handgun from a FFL to another FFL and do the transfer that way?

If it goes from FFL to FFL or from you to an FFL, then how is it a PPT? (it isn't).

So, if you ship to the buyer's FFL, it becomes an FFL transfer and the handgun has to be on the CA roster and the FFL can charge whatever he wants for a transfer fee (+ 25.00 DROS fee).

[thefifthspeed]

PPT (private party transfer) is just that, a transfer done from person to person. If you wanted to you can send it to an FFL but it wouldn't be considered a PPT.

[CrippledPidgeon]

But don't all transfers have to be through an ffl, or do I have things wrong?

[hawk1]

They are all through a FFL, but the process (recording) that he uses to do the transfer is the difference. PPT's are not done FFL to FFL. There are some that say it can be done. Finding two FFL's willing to do it is another story...

[aplinker]

This is the gun show method - using two FFLs who do the paperwork as a PPT, but shipping it out.

If you have a good relationship with an FFL they'll do it.

They are all through a FFL, but the process (recording) that he uses to do the transfer is the difference. PPT's are not done FFL to FFL. There are some that say it can be done. Finding two FFL's willing to do it is another story...

[rivviepop]

The phrase used is "2nd party private transfer" - it's still a gunshow type transaction as mentioned, but allows you to obtain offlist items. Finding an FFL who will accept it and do this work for you though will be hard, I tried and came up with a big fat zero in my area.

[SemiAutoSam]

Its called a Split PPT.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=89194&highlight=Split+PPT

And I will continue to do it this way when I find a Hand Gun I want to purchase that is not on the so called Safe list.

Show me any law that states the PPT must occur when the two individuals meet at the same FFL.

I have looked in the CPC and have not found a law that states this.

The GUN SHOW box can be checked on the DROS worksheet and have the same effect from what I understand.

[FullMetalJacket]

Let me get this straight...

If there's a handgun I want that's not on the list in California...

...and I know someone who lives out of state who owns that handgun...

...I can still buy and receive that handgun from that person through a so-called PPT? And that this PPT, though done through an FFL, is not the same as normal usual transaction?

What limitations are there on this? What am I missing?

[rivviepop]

If there's a handgun I want that's not on the list in California...
...and I know someone who lives out of state who owns that handgun...
...I can still buy and receive that handgun from that person through a so-called PPT?

Unless you are exempt from the laws (i.e. a Law Enforcement Officer) the answer is a big fat NO. You cannot, as a CA resident, purchase a non-rostered handgun from out of state - whether it be a dealer or private party. (if the gun is C&R, different story)

[SemiAutoSam]

#1 the handgun must be in California.

The only thing the Split PPT does is allow the DROS to be started at one FFL and ended at the 2nd one.

The Seller can be in LA and the buyer in the bay area.

The only way to get a unlisted handgun into your possession from out of state is to know a LEO that will DROS it into his name and then a "TWO WEEKS" or so later DROS it to you via a Std PPT.

Let me get this straight...

If there's a handgun I want that's not on the list in California...

...and I know someone who lives out of state who owns that handgun...

...I can still buy and receive that handgun from that person through a so-called PPT? And that this PPT, though done through an FFL, is not the same as normal usual transaction?

What limitations are there on this? What am I missing?

[mymonkeyman]

The only way to get a unlisted handgun into your possession from out of state is to know a LEO that will DROS it into his name and then a "TWO WEEKS" or so later DROS it to you via a Std PPT.

Or if you know someone who is moving to California to become a resident of California, they can import their non-AW handguns, file a declaration (and $19/gun) as a personal handgun importer, and then freely PPT them to in-state residents.