Magazine needed for handgun PPT?

[SDM44]

I realize you probably need one when picking up the handgun, to perform the safety check. But is it a requirement (law) to have a magazine when initially doing the PPT?

I'm buying a Glock tomorrow but the guy only has 'standard' capacity mags, and no 10rd mags right now. I can get a 10rd mag this weekend, but not by tomorrow. Can I still DROS the gun, and then take the 10rd mag with me when I pick up the gun? Is it up to the FFL to decide whether they do it or not?

[keenkeen]

Should be OK...Just explain to the FFL you will bring a mag with you of the pickup/demo.

It is their call but they should be fine with it...

[Chaos47]

No I can not think of a place in the PC that states there has to be a magazine just to do the transfer its self. You are correct that it is needed to do the safety check.

If the FFL has any GLOCKS in stock that magazines can fit the pistol you are transfering if they are willing they can just use those for the demo.

[dpop24]

I don't think you need one at all. I bought just the lower half of a Beretta and the shop had me do the safe handling demonstration using a Glock 19 from the case. I think you'll be good to go.

[keenkeen]

I don't think you need one at all. I bought just the lower half of a Beretta and the shop had me do the safe handling demonstration using a Glock 19 from the case. I think you'll be good to go.

Many shops follow the PC so they would not allow this...

Depends on the shop but one shouldn't assume because one FFL fudges the details they all will.

I have had FFLs skip the safety demo entirely many many times...doesn't mean I can count on it next time.

[ke6guj]

I realize you probably need one when picking up the handgun, to perform the safety check. But is it a requirement (law) to have a magazine when initially doing the PPT?
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the law says that it can't be delivered until the handgun safety demo has been performed. it does not say that the demo must be done before the application to purchase can be submitted.

I don't think you need one at all. I bought just the lower half of a Beretta and the shop had me do the safe handling demonstration using a Glock 19 from the case. I think you'll be good to go.

the HSD law requires the demo to be done on the handgun being transfered. using a Glock to perform the HSD does not appear to satisfy the law.

26850. (a) Except as authorized by the department, no firearms
dealer may deliver a handgun unless the recipient performs a safe
handling demonstration with that handgun.

[SMR510]

Many shops follow the PC so they would not allow this...

Depends on the shop but one shouldn't assume because one FFL fudges the details they all will.

I have had FFLs skip the safety demo entirely many many times...doesn't mean I can count on it next time.

There is nothing in the PC that says the firearm has to be in working order. The only thing that stops us from buying bare frames brand new is that they are not on the roster. It also doesnt say that you must do the demo on the exact gun you are buying or even the same make/model of gun.

If you can find something in the PC that says otherwise I would like to see it.

[keenkeen]

There is nothing in the PC that says the firearm has to be in working order. The only thing that stops us from buying bare frames brand new is that they are not on the roster. It also doesnt say that you must do the demo on the exact gun you are buying or even the same make/model of gun.

If you can find something in the PC that says otherwise I would like to see it.

Look at the post above yours...

[jww]

I've done it without a mag. He had me simulate what I would do if there were actually one present.

[dpop24]

the law says that it can't be delivered until the handgun safety demo has been performed. it does not say that the demo must be done before the application to purchase can be submitted.


the HSD law requires the demo to be done on the handgun being transfered. using a Glock to perform the HSD does not appear to satisfy the law.

26850. (a) Except as authorized by the department, no firearms
dealer may deliver a handgun unless the recipient performs a safe
handling demonstration with that handgun.

Interesting, I didn't know that. They did DROS it as a "lower receiver", so I wonder if that's how they got around it, or if it was a misinterpretation of the PC.

[iloveyourmom562]

You should be ok..

[keenkeen]

Interesting, I didn't know that. They did DROS it as a "lower receiver", so I wonder if that's how they got around it, or if it was a misinterpretation of the PC.

Yes, and Yes.

[PM720]

When I transferred my G21 through Pasadena Turners they required that I produce a 10 round mag to show that there were no Hi caps with the gun. Don't flame me, that's what they told me.

OTOH, I just transferred a 1911 at another LGS with no mags and they just had me simulate the loading and unloading process.

Scott

[Chaos47]

When I transferred my G21 through Pasadena Turners they required that I produce a 10 round mag to show that there were no Hi caps with the gun. Don't flame me, that's what they told me.

OTOH, I just transferred a 1911 at another LGS with no mags and they just had me simulate the loading and unloading process.

Scott

No such law to do a large capacity magazine check, probably just store/company policy. The large capacity magazine check is probably CYA for them (though they are not selling or give etc) and also to "protect" the buyer... right or wrong I can see their thinking. But as always use and possession is not illegal.

On the other case again if they had a magazine that could fit and where willing to do it they could use it.

There is nothing in the PC that says the firearm has to be in working order. The only thing that stops us from buying bare frames brand new is that they are not on the roster. It also doesnt say that you must do the demo on the exact gun you are buying or even the same make/model of gun.

If you can find something in the PC that says otherwise I would like to see it.

Straight from the "CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BUREAU OF FIREARMS
Safe Handling Demonstration Affidavit"

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscaff.pdf

On _______________ ,________________________ performed the safe handling demonstration as required in California Penal Code sections 26850, subdivisions (a) and (b), and 26853, and 26856, and 26859, with the handgun (or one of the same make and model) referenced on Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) No. ________________ under the supervision of __________________________