CA Private Party Transfer Question

[bigtexn]

I've been looking for an answer to my question here on the site but can't seem to find it, so maybe you guys can help me out.

I'm in the process of purchasing a Walther P22, 5" barrel from another guy in CA. He says that it's ok for him to mail to my FFL without mailing it from an FFL. Does anyone know if this is possible. He says he's done it many times, but not to another person in CA, always out of state. Any help would be appreciated, and I too will continue looking for the answer.

[461]

perfectly legal for a private person to ship to an FFL. Be sure your FFL is willing to receive it though as some will not for their own reasons.

[stevie]

But I believe that once it is shipped to a dealer and said dealer receives it. The firearm is now not private party transfer. A private party transfer requires both parties present at the dealer at the same time.

[ohsmily]

But I believe that once it is shipped to a dealer and said dealer receives it. The firearm is now not private party transfer. A private party transfer requires both parties present at the dealer at the same time.

correct. PPT is the wrong terminology for this type of transaction. When the gun is shipped, it doesn't matter whether it comes from one county over or from across the country. When the gun is shipped in this type of transaction, the handgun in question must be on the CA DOJ handgun list, but if done PPT (face to face at the FFL) then it doesn't have to be on this list.

P.S. BigTXN You didn't search very hard for the answer, this has been covered MANY times.

[NeoWeird]

Now if shipped from a private party, does it still fall within the one handgun per 30 day rule? I know that when it is PPT it doesn't, but I wasn't sure about none dealerhandguns that are purchased through a dealer; like this example.

[metalhead357]

FWIW....MIGHT wanna check too with the guy on WHICH walther 22 it is...they had that big ta'do with Cali and DOJ over the threaded barrel issue......

If its threaded it cant come in..............no exception save that its shipped back to the manufacturer and has the "pressed" barrel installed. IIRC the time period for the "freebie" in this jaunt though is now done....... might now be a tad pricey.... dont know though.......

2 friends went thorugh this grief- one opted for the barrel change and the other sold his outta state via Gunbroker............. what a joke, DOJ first says OK, then pulls the plug and costs the company thousands........

Metalhead

edit- there'a another thread running too about the walther...might wanna check it out. I might of spoke too soon. Maybe these barrels arent "pressed" in.....sounds like either epoxy or the no-go locktight.......

[bigtexn]

I've spoken with two local FFL's here, and they said they need an FFL license to come with the gun so they can show the powers that be where the gun came from should that arise. After reading all the replies, seems like they're just covering themselves.

And I did fail to search the forums here. I was looking all over the internet for the answer and found none in regards to my question. Sorry about that and thanks to all that replied.

[Hunter]

I've spoken with two local FFL's here, and they said they need an FFL license to come with the gun so they can show the powers that be where the gun came from should that arise. After reading all the replies, seems like they're just covering themselves.

And I did fail to search the forums here. I was looking all over the internet for the answer and found none in regards to my question. Sorry about that and thanks to all that replied.

As a minimum the receiving FFL will need a copy of the guys DL to show proof who the person is. It does not need to be shipped from a FFL dealer. However, there is no law that says the receiving dealer has to accept the firearm from the person, they can demand it to be shipped from another FFL. Again the reason is that the shipping FFL would physically now be the one to verify the seller's id in order to receive the gun for shipping.

[ohsmily]

As a minimum the receiving FFL will need a copy of the guys DL to show proof who the person is. It does not need to be shipped from a FFL dealer. However, there is no law that says the receiving dealer has to accept the firearm from the person, they can demand it to be shipped from another FFL. Again the reason is that the shipping FFL would physically now be the one to verify the seller's id in order to receive the gun for shipping.

Show me where it says they need a copy of the seller's ID (the person who shipped it). It isn't required by law.

Some dealers are dicks and require all kinds of crap, but that doesn't make it law. (I swear they only require FFL to FFL in order to protect their industry and look out for their fellow FFL for him to make a few bucks (or more) at the expense of the seller).

And as to "private party transfers". IF A GUN IS SHIPPED TO AN FFL FOR THE PURPOSE OF SELLING TO A BUYER IN A NEW LOCATION, IT IS NOT A PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFER. Don't think of it that way (just b/c a "private person" and not a dealer is selling the gun, it doesn't make it private party). To avoid confusion, just call PPT's Face to Face transfers. That will eliminate confusion.

Yes, if a gun is shipped to an FFL for you to purchase it, it IS subject to the 30 day waiting period.

[harley66]

I have gone around and around on this exact question.... all depends on Your FFL - some say - face to face / others say,,, ya, it can be shipped... I have found if a certin FFL says no to something - you can argue and show where is is wrong... still, they will find a way to NOT serve you.. So,, ask your FFL and see what they can come up with...

[Hunter]

Show me where it says they need a copy of the seller's ID (the person who shipped it). It isn't required by law.
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What is requried, from my understanding, is that the seller must be identified to the FFL doing the transfer in some way. Gov. ID is always the best way for this. When the dealer enters the information into their bound books on where they got the gun, it must be correct or the dealer is hung out to dry. They cannot just say winnie poo left it (unless of course he did )

[bigtexn]

I've spoken to four FFL's here and they all said the same thing, they'll only receive from another FFL in case the gun needs to be traced, they have a way of showing where it came from. They also said that it's "long gun" transfers that don't need to come from an FFL, just a DL with the gun is enough.

[EOD Guy]

I've spoken to four FFL's here and they all said the same thing, they'll only receive from another FFL in case the gun needs to be traced, they have a way of showing where it came from. They also said that it's "long gun" transfers that don't need to come from an FFL, just a DL with the gun is enough.

That's just their policy. There is nothing in California law requiring that.

[grammaton76]

That's just their policy. There is nothing in California law requiring that.

Correct. My girlfriend's Stag was shipped direct from a guy in North or South Carolina, to the lower-transferring pawn shop in SD.