transporting to the range

[Corporal Tiger]

Could someone refresh my memory on the requirements when you are driving to the range th pistols and or long guns.
Thanks

[Shane916]

Handguns in the trunk or in a locked container.

Longguns anywhere in the vehicle is fine. No lock required.

If weapon is a registered AW it must be in a locked container.

For both have no ammo attached.

[Corporal Tiger]

thanks

Handguns in the trunk or in a locked container.

Longguns anywhere in the vehicle is fine. No lock required.

If weapon is a registered AW it must be in a locked container.

For both have no ammo attached.

Easy enough

[HighValleyRanch]

I heard that the ammo must not be locked with the firearm.
Is that correct?

[Rob P.]

I heard that the ammo must not be locked with the firearm.
Is that correct?

No. Some advocate "a lock between the gun and the ammo" but it's not required per the law.

An interesting debate based on viewpoint can be made regarding having ammo in the same locked container. Having one bullet taped to the gun could mean that the gun is "loaded" under the current interpretations of the statute. Having a loaded magazine in your pocket could be considered by some overzealous LEO/DA's to mean carrying a concealed weapon ("gun or its parts" language in the statute).

Having that loaded magazine inside the same locked container could be considered to mean that the gun is "loaded" because the bullets are in the magazine and/or it is touching the firearm. Not to mention the fact that the magazine could possibly wind up getting inserted into the mag well just from traveling over bumps and vibrations. Not very likely but the odds say that it IS possible and I certainly wouldn't want to be the person stopped for an "unloaded gun check" and discover that the odds had caught up with me.

All in all, lock up the handgun and keep the ammo in the box until you need it at the range.

[SmithAndJohnson]

I heard that the ammo must not be locked with the firearm.
Is that correct?

This is commonly spread misinformation. Ammo locked in the same case as the firearm is fine, as long as the firearm is truly not loaded.

This includes loaded mags or speedloaders next to their pistol or revolver recipient.

[aplinker]

Those overzealous LEOs are wrong.

People v. Clark settles the definition of loaded as either in the chamber or in a magazine that's inside the gun.

If your route to the range travels through a school zone, according to Federal law, your long guns also need to be locked (in the trunk, a case or on a gun rack), as well.

No. Some advocate "a lock between the gun and the ammo" but it's not required per the law.

An interesting debate based on viewpoint can be made regarding having ammo in the same locked container. Having one bullet taped to the gun could mean that the gun is "loaded" under the current interpretations of the statute. Having a loaded magazine in your pocket could be considered by some overzealous LEO/DA's to mean carrying a concealed weapon ("gun or its parts" language in the statute).

Having that loaded magazine inside the same locked container could be considered to mean that the gun is "loaded" because the bullets are in the magazine and/or it is touching the firearm. Not to mention the fact that the magazine could possibly wind up getting inserted into the mag well just from traveling over bumps and vibrations. Not very likely but the odds say that it IS possible and I certainly wouldn't want to be the person stopped for an "unloaded gun check" and discover that the odds had caught up with me.

All in all, lock up the handgun and keep the ammo in the box until you need it at the range.

[Glock22Fan]

This is commonly spread misinformation. Ammo locked in the same case as the firearm is fine, as long as the firearm is truly not loaded.

This includes loaded mags or speedloaders next to their pistol or revolver recipient.

Yes, I agree totally. However, it IS really WIDESPREAD misinformation. I have been told it in gun shops, at ranges, by LEO's and by a lot of gun owners. So far, I have been unable to persuade any one of these people that they are WRONG.

So, on the offchance that one of these is the police officer that stops you, I always recommend keeping ammo separate.

Max/min analysis: Costs you nothing. Might save you from eating dirt.

[Greg-Dawg]

Here we go again.

[aplinker]

I just wanted to say once more, since it's likely to be missed in prior post:

By Federal law, if your path to the range includes passing through a "school zone," then even long guns must be in locked cases, the trunk or locked on a gun rack.

Handguns in the trunk or in a locked container.

Longguns anywhere in the vehicle is fine. No lock required.

If weapon is a registered AW it must be in a locked container.

For both have no ammo attached.

[holyhandgrenade]

I just wanted to say once more, since it's likely to be missed in prior post:

By Federal law, if your path to the range includes passing through a "school zone," then even long guns must be in locked cases, the trunk or locked on a gun rack.

Considering I live across the street from an elementary school, anytime I want to take any gun anywhere its gotta be locked, correct?

As an aside, I was watching Cops tonight and the cop asked the guy if he had a firearm in the car (he did, "his brothers shotgun" and was a felon as it turned out...but thats not important) and that got me thinking. If you get pulled over for a traffic violation, and they ask, you should answer truthfully, right? Im only wondering because if its in a locked container, and unloaded, the officers safety isnt really an issue I wouldnt think. My main question was whether that gives them the right to search the car? They wouldnt have to ignore anything they find I assume, but do they have to limit the looking to just make sure the firearm is unloaded and thats it? Or does it basically give them free reign over your car?

[kermit315]

if they ask if you have a gun, I would be honest and answer yes or no. you kinda have to, because under California law, they have the right to check your weapons and make sure they are unloaded. If they discover you have weapons and you told them you didnt, I could see them getting pretty irate pretty quick.

If they ask do you have anything illegal, and you say no, that is a different story.

JMO

Jamie

[HighValleyRanch]

If they ask do you have anything illegal, and you say no, that is a different story.

Just say,
yes, illegal immigrant, but he's locked in a box!

[kermit315]

lol I dont care who you are, thats just funny right there

[cactuspete]

Would it be a good idea, if getting pulled over, whether on the way to the range or maybe to friend's house to shoot, etc. - to tell the LEO right up front that you have a gun(s) in the vehicle? I keep my range card and handgun card in my range bag all the time - don't want for a second, should I get pulled over, for the cop not to know I'm a legal gun owner.