M&P Shield Vs. LC9

[kauaibuilt]

Friend of mine (lucky MF!!!!) picked up off-roster shield 9 and 40 (he's LEO).... And then sold me his LC9. Told him if the .40 kicks too much or 9mm is too weak let me know and I'll buy it off him. We haven't hit the range in a bit but when we do I'll let y'all know.

[DRAB_81]

Glock's website has the width at 1.10" in the spec. tables which, legally, take precedence.

(the extra 0.03" is either a typo, or the added thickness of the thumb-rest swells.)

The big difference is in the Length, which is the concealable dimension as well as the performance and sight radius dimension, and thereby accuracy dimension.

(and, of course, it's chambered in a caliber that starts w/ a "4"... for Men. )

I don't need a "4" in the caliber to make me feel like a man. It won't do you any good if you can't put rounds on target faster than the guy(s) shooting at you. Also, maybe it's just a difference in opinion, but the width of a gun plays the biggest role in concealability, followed by grip length. Muzzle length doesn't matter all that much to me.

What does this have to do with the LC9 vs Shield again?

[Red Devil]

This is the Current page:

GLOCK 36

No doubt after Gaston put the G36 on the "Michelle Antoinette" school lunch plan.

...Also, maybe it's just a difference in opinion, but the width of a gun plays the biggest role in concealability, followed by grip length. Muzzle length doesn't matter all that much to me.

What does this have to do with the LC9 vs Shield again?

The G36 is a hair over an 1/8th" thicker, a hair over an 1/8th" taller, One ounce heaver...

...and it's HUGE?

It holds One less round of .45 ACP, but has "+1" Mag bases as well.

The Shield is a lot closer to a G36 in the critical aspects of a non-purse pistol than the LC9.

And w/ a 3" Bbl., even w/ "short Bbl." ammo, 124 gr. +P loads will be more Fourth-of-July than performance.

Same w/ the .40 version.

You said, "I absolutely love my Shield", and that's great. From everything I've seen it is a fine weapon.

I was seriously considering the .40 Shield but went w/ the G36 for the longer Bbl. and sight radius, and because I'm already programed for the controls, or lack there or, of a Glock. The .45 ACP was a bonus, I'd've taken a .40 w/ an extra round in a heart-beat.

[locosway]

Has anyone handled both? How does the grip on the M&P compare to the LC9? I have only been able to get my hands on the LC9, and it was a bit thin for my liking. Hoping someone has had the chance to handle both, and can shed some light on this for me.

LC9 is thin, which makes for a nice carry gun, but doesn't make for a good feel in the hand. The Shield feels awesome in your hand, but I haven't shot one yet.

And while there isn't a CA compliant model available yet, there are shops that can SSE it.

I have mine on order and then I'll SSE it because I don't want the stupid CA version with the LCI.

[DRAB_81]

The G36 is a hair over an 1/8th" thicker, a hair over an 1/8th" taller, One ounce heaver...

...and it's HUGE?

Yes, like I said, it's HUGE for a gun that has a 6rd capacity. The most common 9mm with a 6rd capacity is a PM9.

The Shield is a lot closer to a G36 in the critical aspects of a non-purse pistol than the LC9.

If you really think that, look at the picture above, and if you still really think that, I have nothing else to say.

And w/ a 3" Bbl., even w/ "short Bbl." ammo, 124 gr. +P loads will be more Fourth-of-July than performance.

I have shot Ranger T 124gr +P's through my Shield. Sorry, no 4th of July. I also chrono'd them through my G26 last year, and they averaged 1180fps (3.46" barrel).

I was seriously considering the .40 Shield but went w/ the G36 for the longer Bbl. and sight radius, and because I'm already programed for the controls, or lack there or, of a Glock.

The first thing I did was modify the safety. It operates like a Glock now.

[XDRoX]

You modified the safety on a carry gun?

Can you elaborate on exactly what you did?

Thanks.

[DRAB_81]

You modified the safety on a carry gun?

Can you elaborate on exactly what you did?

Thanks.

Yes, I modified the safety on a carry gun. I trimmed off the tab that blocks the striker. The entire safety lever cannot be removed without a huge risk of destroying reliability.




Just to cover it again:

1. Nobody is going to pick up my gun and shoot themself with it because they think the safety is engaged. Wherever my guns go, I go. I don't leave loaded guns laying around, and I make sure that anyone shooting my guns knows the 4 firearm safety rules (and obeys them at all times).

2. Im not going to forget that it doesn't have a safety, and accidentally shoot myself.

3. Name a case where a pistol modification sent someone to prison, or got them sued, in a GOOD shoot. I don't buy into all the interweb hysteria on these kinds of firearms issues.

[XDRoX]

Yes, I modified the safety on a carry gun. I trimmed off the tab that blocks the striker. The entire safety lever cannot be removed without a huge risk of destroying reliability.




Just to cover it again:

1. Nobody is going to pick up my gun and shoot themself with it because they think the safety is engaged. Wherever my guns go, I go. I don't leave loaded guns laying around, and I make sure that anyone shooting my guns knows the 4 firearm safety rules (and obeys them at all times).

2. Im not going to forget that it doesn't have a safety, and accidentally shoot myself.

3. Name a case where a pistol modification sent someone to prison, or got them sued, in a GOOD shoot. I don't buy into all the interweb hysteria on these kinds of firearms issues.

I agree with most everything you say, but does the Shield have other internal built in safeties like Glock?

I'm not familiar with how the gun works. But it seems like Glock took a lot of extra measures of safety in developing a gun that even without a thumb safety, is still very safe. Trigger safety, internal firing pin block, and drop safe.

I don't think it would be a good idea to remove the thumb safety from many guns out there. Most guns that have thumb safeties don't have other types of safeties. Again I'm not familiar with how a Shield operates, but if it doesn't have other safeties removing the one it does doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

[DRAB_81]

I agree with most everything you say, but does the Shield have other internal built in safeties like Glock?

I'm not familiar with how the gun works. But it seems like Glock took a lot of extra measures of safety in developing a gun that even without a thumb safety, is still very safe. Trigger safety, internal firing pin block, and drop safe.

I don't think it would be a good idea to remove the thumb safety from many guns out there. Most guns that have thumb safeties don't have other types of safeties. Again I'm not familiar with how a Shield operates, but if it doesn't have other safeties removing the one it does doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

The internal features of the Shield mirror the standard M&P line, so it does have all the internal safeties as well. The safety lever is an option with the standard M&P's, and the lever is the only difference between those models. The M&P's have very similar safeties to the Glock, like the trigger safety & striker safety.

[XDRoX]

The internal features of the Shield mirror the standard M&P line, so it does have all the internal safeties as well. The safety lever is an option with the standard M&P's, and the lever is the only difference between those models. The M&P's have very similar safeties to the Glock, like the trigger safety & striker safety.

Thanks for the info. I would have removed the thumb safety as well.

[kauaibuilt]

For your consideration. I am leaning forward in the last 2 pics. In all honesty they're the best concealable pistols I own right now.


M&PC in 1 pocket lc9 in the other


Lc9 in unknown kydex holster


9c in comptac



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[dagtwo]

I keep seeing this thread come up on my phone and now I just have to make a comment. I have no input on the shield, however my wife just got the LC9 a few months ago. So far it is a very solid gun. We have put a few hundred rounds through it without issue. It doesn't feel as nice in the hand as my glock or the shield (i'm making this assumption on other m&ps I have held). But it if far more concealable than my glock27 or similar polymer sub-compacts. The thing disappears in my wifes waistband and she is pretty small. The trigger pull does take some getting used to. After about the first clip I got the feel of it and was grouping 2-3" @ 25yd. Still don't like trigger pull but we are going to modify it with a galloway kit. $425 w/ DROS and tax + $40 for the trigger kit + $30 for the extra clip (overpaid) and Im still under anything I have seen the shield go for. And as far as the last two things everyone b****** about, the safety and LCI... The safety my wife likes. She has practiced disengaging the safety before holstering and re-engaging when taking out for the day (she carries). We have two small kids, so when it is not in the safe, safety is on and clip is partially removed so the gun wont fire. The LCI, we don't care, too small to get in the way.

I personally don't carry the LC9 cause I like my G27. But I hear people bash LC9 in every thread it is brought up in and I don't agree with thier reasoning. So I had to share my $.02

[DRAB_81]

I keep seeing this thread come up on my phone and now I just have to make a comment. I have no input on the shield, however my wife just got the LC9 a few months ago. So far it is a very solid gun. We have put a few hundred rounds through it without issue. It doesn't feel as nice in the hand as my glock or the shield (i'm making this assumption on other m&ps I have held). But it if far more concealable than my glock27 or similar polymer sub-compacts. The thing disappears in my wifes waistband and she is pretty small. The trigger pull does take some getting used to. After about the first clip I got the feel of it and was grouping 2-3" @ 25yd. Still don't like trigger pull but we are going to modify it with a galloway kit. $425 w/ DROS and tax + $40 for the trigger kit + $30 for the extra clip (overpaid) and Im still under anything I have seen the shield go for. And as far as the last two things everyone b****** about, the safety and LCI... The safety my wife likes. She has practiced disengaging the safety before holstering and re-engaging when taking out for the day (she carries). We have two small kids, so when it is not in the safe, safety is on and clip is partially removed so the gun wont fire. The LCI, we don't care, too small to get in the way.

I personally don't carry the LC9 cause I like my G27. But I hear people bash LC9 in every thread it is brought up in and I don't agree with thier reasoning. So I had to share my $.02

1. 2-3" groups @ 25yds with an LC9?

2. What does having kids have to do with this? I have kids too. If the gun isn't on me, it's in the safe. I don't leave loaded firearms laying around for my kids to pick up, regardless of whether a safety is engaged or a "clip" is fully inserted.

[XDRoX]

The LC9 has a thumb safety?

Even leaving the magazine slightly out and the safety on, I don't think you should be leaving your gun around the house if you have kids.

[InGrAM]

1. 2-3" groups @ 25yds with an LC9?

2. What does having kids have to do with this? I have kids too. If the gun isn't on me, it's in the safe. I don't leave loaded firearms laying around for my kids to pick up, regardless of whether a safety is engaged or a "clip" is fully inserted.

In bold: I was going to post something as well but I figured he would just give some BS response, so I didn't even bother.