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  • #16
    ChaneRZ
    Banned
    • Aug 2011
    • 2041

    Not even. It is in Contra Costa County.

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    • #17
      9mmepiphany
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2008
      • 8075

      Are you using the same POA thoughtout each group?
      Which grip are you using?
      Are you shooting the Taurus M65, in DA or SA?

      I looks like you are varying your grip pressure as you are pulling the trigger.

      I'd suggest shooting smaller groups, 3-5 shots, to give us a better idea of shot consistency. Maybe a sheet with 5 targets, shooting 3-5 shots on each...try shooting at 1" squares
      Last edited by 9mmepiphany; 08-11-2012, 6:29 PM.
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      • #18
        Nippy
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 18

        The main thing you need to work on is trigger control judging from the groups with your Glock and comparing it to the groups with your 1911. So dry fire one handed would be my suggestion.

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        • #19
          jlbflyboy172
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2007
          • 625

          +1 for dry fire practice. It's free and if you practice 10 minutes a day, you will see huge results. Many people that I watch shoot tend to grip the pistol (meaning squeezing harder with the trigger pull) and squeeze the trigger at the same time. In your dry fire practice hold on a fixed point and make sure that nothing else moves in your hand but your trigger finger from the middle joint down to the tip of your finger. That is all that is required.

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          • #20
            BLR81
            Member
            • May 2012
            • 347

            Four different guns, four different ammo's and four different results, does this come as a surprise to anyone? Unless your some type of professional shooter, I think what were seeing is the result of 4 different grips and 4 different triggers. I think the answer is to get as proficient with one before you try to get the others where you like them.

            Just a wild *** guess, but the 9mm was the most accurate and the .357 and .40 were more wild with a lot of low left. Unless you were shooting double taps, I'm going to guess the the recoil of those two weapons has you flinching. The 1911 has no high shots, with most on center and a small group low left. I'd guess that you feel comfortable with the grip and trigger of the 1911 more so than the other 3.

            I'm probably all wet, but you ask and based on those targets, that would be my guess.

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            • #21
              Aces and 8s
              Banned
              • Feb 2010
              • 871

              Originally posted by 9mmepiphany
              Are you using the same POA thoughtout each group?
              Which grip are you using?
              Are you shooting the Taurus M65, in DA or SA?

              I looks like you are varying your grip pressure as you are pulling the trigger.

              I'd suggest shooting smaller groups, 3-5 shots, to give us a better idea of shot consistency. Maybe a sheet with 5 targets, shooting 3-5 shots on each...try shooting at 1" squares
              Same sight picture, thumbs forward grip, SA for the .357. I only shoot five rounds each time, but I think the idea of shooting different targets each 5 rounds would give a better idea. I'll give that a shot next time out as well.

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              • #22
                9mmepiphany
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2008
                • 8075

                Please do.

                The only constant I'm seeing is it looks like you are anticipating the trigger break with all the guns
                ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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                • #23
                  ZX-10R
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 4122

                  The Glock is the grip...The 1911 is you. THe others I cannot say.
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                  • #24
                    Aces and 8s
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 871

                    Originally posted by ZX-10R
                    The Glock is the grip...The 1911 is you. THe others I cannot say.
                    glock hater lol

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                    • #25
                      USM0083
                      Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 332

                      Your groups look okay for 10 yards:

                      With the G22, a little bit of jerking/anticipation.

                      With the revolver, your support hand needs to firm up, maybe take a revolver grip with the support thumb locking over the shooting hand thumb (you are right handed?)

                      Assuming your sights are on, trigger control is the key here. Straight back trigger press is what you want. Proper grip can help this, but you can have a sucky grip and still get good shots off. What a poor grip prevents you from doing is getting subsequent shoots off effectively AND quickly.

                      As others have mentioned, work on mastering ONE of these guns, first. Do it at 7 yards. Whatever group you shoot, try to make it smaller, say 2" at 7 yards. When you can do that, try doing it faster (1 shot a sec. or 2 shots in 3 sec.). If you master that, push back your distance.

                      One of the best tools I ever bought was a shot timer.

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                      • #26
                        kurby09
                        Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 470

                        Lots of good advice here. One other thing ive been practicing Is learning how to shoot right at the pause of every breath. Its helped me improve my groupings a lot and the consistency of my shots.

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                        • #27
                          Army
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3915

                          Quit looking at the target.

                          Front sight focus all the way through the shot. The only time you need to look at the target, is to see where ALL the shots went after the gun empties.

                          Proper hold. Sight alignment. Front sight focus. Add pressure until trigger breaks. Release trigger ONLY far enough to reset on sear. Remain focused on front sight. Repeat as necessary.
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                          • #28
                            HighLander51
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 5144

                            Originally posted by kurby09
                            Lots of good advice here. One other thing ive been practicing Is learning how to shoot right at the pause of every breath. Its helped me improve my groupings a lot and the consistency of my shots.
                            That's for long range rifle, with a handgun it's grip it and rip it.

                            Does this guy look like he is breathing? Or even close to squeezing the trigger?



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                            • #29
                              boomer135
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 580

                              Originally posted by huckberry668
                              1. Stance - same exact comfortable, natural & supportive stance. legs, torso, arms, shoulder, neck tension.
                              2. Grip - same exact purchase, grip pressure, finger position.
                              3. Sights - same exact front sight focus, front/rear sights alignment, sight picture (sight alignment on target).
                              4. Trigger control - finger pressure and leverage (squeeze directly back).
                              5. Follow-thru - Keep holding the gun like you did before it went off. let the recoil take its natural course and don't fight it.

                              If you focus on all 5 above, you should be able to keep your eyes open and see the last sight picture and muzzle flash. And you'll be able to 'call your shots' and tell where it landed. It is easier said than done and that's why there not many good shots.
                              good advice above, would like to add a few things, when I am teaching someone to become a more proficient shooter, I only let them load 3 rounds, until they begin grouping these, then I step them to 5 and so on. This will slow you down to concentrate on your fundamentals.

                              With the pistols you described you should be grouping much better than you are. (Honestly) Yes you are shooting center mass and still hitting your target, but focus more on the above, SLOW down , and don't force a shot! During you squeeze if it doesn't feel right, start straying off target, or flinching, then stop. adjust and begin again.

                              I actually have to grip my Glocks with more finger in the trigger, than my 1911's. Get to know your firearms...

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                              • #30
                                Aces and 8s
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 871

                                Thank you everyone, its much appreciated. Aside from my grandfather taking me out a few times in my teens, I am mostly self taught and always look for pointers and tips to improve my fundamentals.

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