Glock 21sf or Sig P226 .40 for use in CSM Police Academy start this October

[sectorcacat]

Hi,

I will be starting the CSM Police Academy hopefully this October hosted at CSM by the South Bay group. I already have a Glock 21sf .45. In a few weeks, I will have a Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I already paid) which I will send to Sig for E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger (already spoke to Sig about it).

I have fired the Sig P226 .9mm and Sig 2022 .9mm but not the Sig P226 in the .40 caliber as no range near me had any.

Anyways, my questions to anyone on this forum are:

(1) What would you recommend for use at the academy only between these two choices (because the two choices are what I will have): Glock 21sf .45 and Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I will get the E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger, it will take several weeks).

(2) Has anyone had experiences firing *both* firearms? Any advice based on the two choices and not any other choice.

(3) Also, cleaning both the Glock 21sf .45 and the Sig P226 .40 (does anyone have any .pdfs showing how to do this, and what exactly (precisely) to buy cleaning supplies?

(4) Can anyone teach me or offer advice on how to fire both these handguns especially from both the left hand and the right hand? (I'm right handed)

(5) Any other advice you think would be relevant and practical regarding these two firearms/police academy/etc.

Thank you!

[Arkangel]

I would make sure that the modifications you intend to make on the Sig are g2g per the academy's policies. Some may not allow any modifications even if they are factory installed. That being said, carry what you shoot best with.

As for maintenance look at Youtube, there are plenty of videos on there.

Cleaning kits are mainly personal choice, I like the kleen bore ones.

[Euphoria526]

I'd go with the sig personally. They feel way better in my hands then any glock I've shot.

[johnny_boy02]

If you have not bought the Sig already it may no longer be an option.... But I dont know for sure

I have owned a 226R and currently own a G21. Shoot both and see what you like best. The Sigs feel great in my hand but I can not hit anything with them. The Glocks feel funny but I shoot them fine.

I would try to get a Glock 17 for academy use if it were me.

[steelcore]

You should always shoot the same model and caliber you want to buy before buying. Who would test drive a car with an automatic when they want a manual? That being said, shoot whatever you're more comfortable with.

No need to modify anything unless you know its what you want on that particular gun. You may find that the 40cal shoots great with a factory trigger, while the 9mm you tried before lacked a clean break. Every gun is different, even in the same manufacturer.

What concerns me is that it appears from your questions that you've never even shot or cleaned the gun you already have. Is this true?

[steelcore]

Ok...not trying to be a dick, but I gotta ask...is this a joke?

I ask cause of the "shoot from right and left hand" thing. Im not sure if you're implying strong and weak side shooting, or shooting with a gun in both hands...that would have to be a joke. Also, plans to modify a gun you never even fired is just illogical

[BoJackUSMC]

I have sig P226 9mm BTFO model with short reach trigger and I love it.

[sectorcacat]

The police academy requires us (students) to be reasonably proficient in shooting with both the dominant hand and the non-dominant hand which means for me both my right hand(dominant hand) and the left hand (non-dominant hand). I've shot the Glock 21SF .45, SP 2022 9mm, and the P226 9mm, and I have yet to find any range within a hundred miles of South San Francisco, California that has a P226 DAK .40 or .9mm. I have not found anyone (person or company within 100 miles) that has both a Glock 21SF and a P226 DAK .40 or .9mm or even just a P226 DAK .40 or .9mm just to take a look at or at most try out at a range. I have not personally cleaned the Glock 21SF, because I've had it professionally cleaned.

The DAK system, Reduced Reach Trigger, and the E2 Grips are not mods in the context of something outside of the manufacturer's purview but manufacturer's options straight from Sig at http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/CmsC...list_03-12.pdf

With the DAK system, there is no decocking involved.

I'm self-sponsored, so I'm paying for it all. This means that I supply my own handgun in addition to buying my own equipment, uniforms, etc.

[hossb7]

I went though two modules last year at the same academy - good job to putting yourself through.


Do you have any experience with either gun? Which one are you more comfortable with shoooting, cleaning, field stripping and general handling?


The reason I ask is because POST instructors admit that there is NOT enough time allocated to properly teach you everything you need to know for the shooting portion of the academy.

The biggest suggestion that I can give you based on my personal experience and what I witnessed while in the academy was to get as much of a foundation in shooting built before you go.

Some of my classmates shot their gun for the first time while in the academy, and while a lot did very well, we had a high drop out rate just from failing range alone.

What I would suggest to you is select the firearm that you are most proficient in shooting and are the most comfortable in.



To quote DocGKR (a man who KNOWS what he is talking about in this instance):

Unless your department picks your caliber for you, pick the platform you shoot best, then decide on caliber from there. Basically all the standard service calibers work when using good quality ammunition; the platform picked tends to dictate the caliber. Currently the best duty pistols going right out of the box are probably the 9 mm Gen 3 Glocks, 4th gen Glock 21, S&W M&P40 & 45's, as well as the HK P30 and HK45.

I would STRONGLY, STRONGLY, STRONGLY suggest that you take his advice if it applies to you.

For more information on selecting a duty firearm, please refer to this thread: http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=604345&postcount=2


Hope that helps, good luck!

[Whatisthis?]

So are you getting a DAK system in the Sig or not? First post implies no, second implies yes.

How do you know you will need the short reach trigger?

Next, not trying to be a d*ck but you need to know how your glock works. It is very simple to field strip. Learn to do it in 15 seconds. Also, I wouldn't pay to have it "professionally" cleaned. It takes 5 minutes to clean and is the simplest thing.

You do know the DAK system and the short reset trigger are two different things, right?

At this point, fire both once you get the sig and use the one you shoot best with. It really is that simple. I would start rambling a little but I don't even know if the sig is going to be DA/SA or DAK. A standard DA pull with your non dominant hand might take some practice to get down. If it will be DA/SA, don't be a pu**y and not practice in DA mode. You will be carrying it in DA, so practice with it in DA. I don't know much about the DAK system, however, so I can't comment too much on it.

Fwiw, I have a glock 19 and a P228. Totally different beasts yet I could not actually choose a favorite because they are both that fantastic.

Edit: for cleaning, look up videos on YouTube. I use CLP personally and like it. The Sig is more difficult to change parts on as well and if you plan on doing anything yourself to the sig, I would recommend the sig armorers DVD or finding a YouTube video of disassembly AND reassembly before you start.

[Striker]

Hi,

I will be starting the CSM Police Academy hopefully this October hosted at CSM by the South Bay group. I already have a Glock 21sf .45. In a few weeks, I will have a Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I already paid) which I will send to Sig for E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger (already spoke to Sig about it).

I have fired the Sig P226 .9mm and Sig 2022 .9mm but not the Sig P226 in the .40 caliber as no range near me had any.

Anyways, my questions to anyone on this forum are:

(1) What would you recommend for use at the academy only between these two choices (because the two choices are what I will have): Glock 21sf .45 and Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I will get the E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger, it will take several weeks).

(2) Has anyone had experiences firing *both* firearms? Any advice based on the two choices and not any other choice.

(3) Also, cleaning both the Glock 21sf .45 and the Sig P226 .40 (does anyone have any .pdfs showing how to do this, and what exactly (precisely) to buy cleaning supplies?

(4) Can anyone teach me or offer advice on how to fire both these handguns especially from both the left hand and the right hand? (I'm right handed)

(5) Any other advice you think would be relevant and practical regarding these two firearms/police academy/etc.

Thank you!

Go back to where you bought both guns and have them teach you how to field strip and clean the guns. Also, go take some shooting lessons at your local range. Start with a basic course and take as many as you can before you head off to the academy. Any NRA instructor is fine, but if you can find a POST instructor and you tell him that you're getting ready for the academy, he should be able to give you some tips and help you. You'll thank me for this later.

I don't know what the qual is for your academy, but it should include a basic static day qual, a basic static night qual and a couple of combat courses and probably a shoot off which doesn't count for anything except the pride of continuing to move on to the next round. Get night sights as a portion of the night qual will be sans flashlight. Not being able to see your sights equals point shooting; not fun.

Forget DAK and either shoot the Glock or shoot the DA/SA of the Sig you bought. .40 or .45 is strictly up to you, but I would have chosen 9mm because at your experience level it's easier to shoot and 1000 rounds of ammo is not cheap for .40 or .45 You should shoot at least that number of rounds, maybe a few more. Start shooting at distances of 3,5,7, 15 and 25 yards because you'll probably have to shoot at all of those distances. If you haven't shot a pistol at 25 yards, you are in for a treat. Personally, at the very least, I would consolidate to one caliber in case your gun goes down during the academy. Not likely to happen, but you never know. If it does, you'll have backup gun in caliber X and ammo in caliber Y. Which entails buying ammo in caliber X to complete the course.

Get a good handheld flashlight, like say Streamlight or Surefire. And if they allow you to use it, a weapon mounted light as well, again a Streamlight or a Surefire. This may or may not necessitate that you buy two holsters, but if they allow you to shoot with a weapon mounted light, well it will make your life that much easier.

Next if you're not in shape, start running, doing pullups, pushups and situps now. You'll do lots and lots of push ups. When you're there, if PT isn't sufficient or you don't do it that day, do it that night on your own. Again, you'll thank me later. Don't bother to complain when one of your teammates/classmates screws up and you have to do push ups with them, it won't get you anywhere. Again, you'll do lots of push ups.


Good luck and hope that helps.

[CALI SHOT DOC]

Hi,

I will be starting the CSM Police Academy hopefully this October hosted at CSM by the South Bay group. I already have a Glock 21sf .45. In a few weeks, I will have a Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I already paid) which I will send to Sig for E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger (already spoke to Sig about it).

I have fired the Sig P226 .9mm and Sig 2022 .9mm but not the Sig P226 in the .40 caliber as no range near me had any.

Anyways, my questions to anyone on this forum are:

(1) What would you recommend for use at the academy only between these two choices (because the two choices are what I will have): Glock 21sf .45 and Sig P226 .40 BTFO (I will get the E2 Grips, Short Trigger Reset, and Reduced Reach Trigger, it will take several weeks).

LOVE LOVE LOVE the Glock platform and Sig p226. Most cadets that I know have been using a G22 (40 cal), it seems to be the preferred choice. I would use the glock because it's fairly easy to clean, very easy to replace parts and is really dependable (not saying the 226 isn't though). I'd also make sure it's ok to have a modified trigger to train with at the academy.

(2) Has anyone had experiences firing *both* firearms? Any advice based on the two choices and not any other choice.

Both are nice weapons, fired both and love both. It's all based on what fits you and what you are more comfortable

(3) Also, cleaning both the Glock 21sf .45 and the Sig P226 .40 (does anyone have any .pdfs showing how to do this, and what exactly (precisely) to buy cleaning supplies?

i use hoppe's #9 solvent and oil with your typical brush and patches. Also use cue tips to get into the tight spots

(4) Can anyone teach me or offer advice on how to fire both these handguns especially from both the left hand and the right hand? (I'm right handed)

If your near San Fran, I'd be more than happy to spend a day at the range and get some training in

(5) Any other advice you think would be relevant and practical regarding these two firearms/police academy/etc.

Stay confident

Thank you!

Good Luck!!

[It's All Good]

I agree with the G17 for the academy. I went through the academy with a Sig P226 9mm. Most of my classmates had G17s. Had a P226 DAK .40 S&W, could not stand the trigger. Currently carry a G21SF. I'd go with a Glock for your academy time. Shooting 9mm or .45ACP will be fine.

[strokerace]

i'm actually in that same academy right now. i would say go with the glock, the qualifications are not that difficult if your at the very least a decent shooter. but you will want to try and compress the amount of time you spend cleaning your weapon as possible. you will have a lot of other things to work on, and they will want you to have a clean weapon at all times. dont know if i answered your question all that well but if you have any questions feel free to PM me and i'll help you anyway i can.

[socal147]

Love my Glocks. Cleaned my 34 today in the kitchen sink. Dish soap, barrel brush, and warm water. Cant beat that. Comes apart in seconds. Goes back together just as easy. Can shoot it until it melts but it just keeps firing.