Glock 35 - Duty Use?

[bountyhunter]

In regards to a Glock going full auto, when the trigger is pulled to the rear, the disconnector pivots the trigger bar down so the striker does not engage it as the slide cycles. I don't see how it could go full auto. It is a very simple system without the precision ground surfaces found in most handgun trigger components. I also don't see how the internal safety could remain disengaged as the slide cycles since it is spring loaded. YMMV.

Here is how: when the gun's trigger is pulled, the disconnector does indeed lower the trigger bar below the end of the striker because the curved end of the trigger bar causes it to go down (which it must do to allow the striker tab to slip by the trigger bar and fire): however, the rest of what you posted is wrong.

As the slide moves out of battery, the lip on the disconnector is bumped inward by an edge on the slide specifically designed to move it. This is necessary to allow the trigger bar to pop back up in the path of the striker so it can catch it on the return stroke. Think about it: if it did not, the trigger could never return to the front because it is the striker spring which pulls AGAINST the rearward pull of the trigger bar spring to force the trigger to return to the front. This is the reason striker springs and trigger springs are adjusted as a set to get good trigger return. Without the striker engaging the trigger bar tab, the trigger would never reset.

So, as the slide moves out of battery (the disconnector gets bumped over), the trigger bar tab pops up again and catches the striker foot as the slide comes forward. If the trigger is still held back (as it will be as the slide cycles after firing) the slide returns to battery with the striker at "full cock" position and the trigger bar is disabling the firing pin safety because it is in firing position.

How could the striker get past the trigger bar and fire at that point? Easy. take the slide off your glock. Gently push the lip of the disconnector over to let the trigger bar pop up. Then gently apply downforce to the top of the trigger bar at the rear and see how much it takes to push it down: NOT MUCH. Look at how the trigger bar spring is mounted: nearly all the force is front to rear, not much pulling upward so it is easy to push the trigger bar down at the rear.

Where could that down force come from? Simple: the strong forward pull of the striker spring (at the striker foot) on the "sear tab" of the trigger bar. If the angle of that sear tab face gets slightly positive, the forward pull of the striker will also push slightly downward. Adjust the angle and you could make the striker "pull past" the trigger bar tab when the striker spring force gets to maximum as the slide goes into battery. Once that trigger bar was pushed down it would drop to it's "low" position and the striker would fly right by.

[CSDGuy]

Where could that down force come from? Simple: the strong forward pull of the striker spring (at the striker foot) on the "sear tab" of the trigger bar. If the angle of that sear tab face gets slightly positive, the forward pull of the striker will also push slightly downward. Adjust the angle and you could make the striker "pull past" the trigger bar tab when the striker spring force gets to maximum as the slide goes into battery. Once that trigger bar was pushed down it would drop to it's "low" position and the striker would fly right by.

So, in effect, you're still saying that someone has to damage the firearm intentionally in order to create an intentional FA malfunction? This would result in a Glock that goes FA every time you pull the trigger. Have you ever seen a sear tab wear that much during normal firing without anyone "tweaking" that sear tab that you'd start seeing FA?

All the FA switches that I know of for the Glock allow the disconnector to function normally and do not override any of the safeties. In fact, they depress the sear directly and normal function of the trigger mechanism and other related safeties are maintained. Turn the FA switch off and the pistol would revert to regular Semi-Auto function. None of the components of the trigger system, striker, or sear mechanisms are altered. Remove the FA switch, and the pistol would still function.

[BamBam-31]

I dunno, the cut slide on the 34/35's look like they could collect a lot of crud in a "carried lots, shot little" gun. More of a gaming gun to me (as the extended controls and 3.5# connector would indiciate).

I'd go with a 22 or a 23 for a duty gun. Maybe it's me, but I find I'm faster with my 17 than with my 34, and I give up little, if any, accuracy.

[randy]

Without reading everything about everything and who's best.

I've shot a G35 extensivly in competitions some years back. Low maintenance, hi reliablilty, good accuracy, and it holds up well.

My buddy overseas uses a G19 everyday in extreme conditions and has nothing but praise for it.

I would pick this gun over anything with a DA/SA trigger.

[rue]

I would not use a G35 for service (although I sport shoot with a G35). It's because the Glock's safeties are inferior. It lacks the most important safety in guns: a blocking firing pin safety that resets when the slide cycles out of battery. Beretta, Sig and SA incorporate it, and the Browning HP added it about 20 years back. The Colt 1911 added the feature in their series 80.

Bottom line, when a Glock fires it cycles and returns to battery fully cocked (because your finger can not release the trigger before the slide cycles) and the trigger bar is still to the rear. if there is any problem with the trigger bar or the striker, that gun can go full auto.

If you want a better Glock style gun, check out the Springfield XD-40 tactical. I have one of those too and I like the design a lot better.

Sounds like another "glocks inferior to an XD"
If Glocks really had the issue you say it has then LE agencys would not be equipping officer's with Glock firearms.
Glocks are proven and I can't say the same for XD's.

[rue]

Another thing nobody mentioned yet and I don't want to be devil's advocate here but since the G35 has a longer barrel and slide, mag extension, lighter trigger pull a defense attorney may make the arguement that by using a G35 the officer may be gunning to shoot a suspect because the gun is a comp. gun not designed for a normal service pistol and most LEO's don't use them.
It may be an absurd arguement but a jury without firearms knowledge may believe this theory.
Again I don't agree but you have to think ahead for these things. I've heard this is a common tactic attorneys use in shooting cases.

[tyrist]

Lots of people carry the G35 as a duty weapon. There would be no liability if the department authorizes it.

[Corbin Dallas]

The G35 is the issue pistol for Escondido P.D. and National City P.D., both in San Diego County. Perhaps you can contact them.

Actually, I'm pretty sure issue is a G22, officer option is a G35 but you have to buy it yourself.

SDSO issues G22's as their duty weapon.

[toopercentmlk]

I would not use a G35 for service (although I sport shoot with a G35). It's because the Glock's safeties are inferior. It lacks the most important safety in guns: a blocking firing pin safety that resets when the slide cycles out of battery. Beretta, Sig and SA incorporate it, and the Browning HP added it about 20 years back. The Colt 1911 added the feature in their series 80.

Bottom line, when a Glock fires it cycles and returns to battery fully cocked (because your finger can not release the trigger before the slide cycles) and the trigger bar is still to the rear. if there is any problem with the trigger bar or the striker, that gun can go full auto.

If you want a better Glock style gun, check out the Springfield XD-40 tactical. I have one of those too and I like the design a lot better.

This is my safety, Sir...