Approval List Question.

[X.Hong]

New member here and a Noobie gun owner, so sorry in advance if I don't seems to know what I am doing.
I saw a Mateba 6 Unica for sale on gunbroker, the gun is not on the CA approved list, I am a CA resident, the gun is used. So I am wonder can I legaly do a PPT thru my local FFl dealer or its still illegal.
I have a Webley Mk VI that I got thru similar ways a few months back, but I m not so sure I got that legally because its consider a "relic" or because of the "used gun FFL transfer" thing, I just want to get my facts right before I buy this thing.
Thanks in advance.

[Icypu]

No you can't its a semi-automatic and cant be SSE or single action converted. It may be a curio, but it isn't a relic.

[Librarian]

New member here and a Noobie gun owner, so sorry in advance if I don't seems to know what I am doing.
I saw a Mateba 6 Unica for sale on gunbroker, the gun is not on the CA approved list, I am a CA resident, the gun is used. So I am wonder can I legaly do a PPT thru my local FFl dealer or its still illegal.
I have a Webley Mk VI that I got thru similar ways a few months back, but I m not so sure I got that legally because its consider a "relic" or because of the "used gun FFL transfer" thing, I just want to get my facts right before I buy this thing.
Thanks in advance.

The issue here seems to be that the seller is not in CA. If that's the case, then it becomes an interstate transfer, and that triggers the Roster requirement.

If a CA seller were to meet you at your favorite CA FFL and do the transfer, that would work.

[X.Hong]

Thats for the reply guys, thats kinda like my dream crashed. Guess I will go to the range and let off some steam with my old Webley tonight. = (
And if anyone know any CA sellers please send me a pm. But it seems with the luck of finding this thing I can win a lottery.

[Munk]

They pop up periodically on gunbroker. It's on my short list of cool/wierd guns I want to own eventually (The long barreled .454casull version).

To avoid the roster with this gun, you need to find someone to do a PPT (face to face, resident to resident transaction facilitated by an FFL) for it, as i'm not sure the normal exemption methods would work properly, since there are no single-shot cylinders for it available.

[Oceanbob]

Hey, Welcome to Cal Guns..!...

There is one other option that might work if you happen to have grandparents, parents or adult children who live OUT OF STATE.

For instance if you have any of the above who live in a free State (Oklahoma for example) THEY could legally buy the off-roster handgun and GIFT it to you via Intra-familial transfer.

*****from website

These transfers are exempt from the Roster and additional part of the Penal Code, 32110 (was 12132)

Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5
(commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the
following:
(a) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to Chapter
5 (commencing with Section 28050) of Division 6 in order to comply
with Section 27545.
says that intrafamilial handgun transfers are NOT subject to the Roster of Handguns.

Interstate Intrafamily transfers need FFL located in CA INTERSTATE transfers are generally NOT FFL-free, because Federal law says so. So, out of state family members MAY transfer guns to family living in California, but almost always must use the services of a CA-licensed, in-California FFL -- the 'OPLAW' form does not work for INTERSTATE transfer.

Interstate intrafamilial transfer of handguns is legally subject to the 1-in-30-days rule, because it must run through DROS; there seems to be some confusion. See the Calguns discussion thread.

After you use a CA FFL to facilitate your interstate transfer, do NOT file the 'OPLAW' form as well; DROS accomplishes the state-level details. The 'OPLAW' form is not sufficient and not necessary.

More info here:

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transferring_Firearms_Among_Some_Family_Members#Interstate_Intrafamily_transfers_need_FFL_located_in_CA

Basically, as an example, my adult daughter in Oklahoma buys an HK P30 (off roster) 9MM for me. She sends it directly to my FFL here in Orange County (OC ARMORY or any FFL that will accept a gun from a private party). In the box is a note that says "I want my dad, Oceanbob to have this HK P30, serial number 1234556 as a gift from me" Signed Daughter with a copy of her out of State DL.

These gun gifts are exempt from the Roster and you only have to DROS and wait 10 days to pick it up.

[tomhenry]

One more thing. I moved out of cal a few years ago but, while I was still there, was able to pick up an off roster gun or two via the ATF's curio and relic list.

It seems that if the gun is on the C&R list, that it can be brought into the state. And a lot of the ATF's C&R guns are recent manufacture.

To the OP. If I were you I'd sure get a copy of their list. There are some very cool guns on it.