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  • Elucidus
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 717

    S&W 1911 PD Range Report

    Hey guys,

    As some of you may know, I just got back into the gun hobby and bought an S&W 1911PD (5") in December. I'll be picking up a HK USP Expert 45 and a OLL AR-15 next week. Expect some range reports for those toys as well!

    I've shot a lot of 1911s. I owned a Rock Island 1911 that I added Pachmayr American Legend grips to, as well as a Kimber conversion kit. It was an okay pistol, but the 1911 PD is quite sweet.

    Now, I haven't seen too many issues with fit and finish on this pistol. It fits my hand pretty well (not as good as a larger framed gun, I have big hands.) The trigger does not fit great, but it has a pretty good break, a pretty tight hang right before the break, but I'm used to triggers like these. (I grew up on a USP full-size 40).

    I've put 400 rounds through it since the 21st of December, and I've had two missfeeds. One was due to a limp-wrist (let someone else shoot it, she could barely keep the gun straight, recoil was causing her hand to weave all kinds of direction.) The other was mine. Can't say what happened there. Cartridge had some black scrapes on the casing, so I tossed it.

    Anyhow, here's rounds 300-350, missing 304(the one that missfed).

    All shots were at 7yd, two handed using my strong hand, weaver stance, slightly modified for my cross dominance. (As you can tell by the shot placement, I'm right-handed and left eye dominant.)



    All in all, I'd say I'm impressed with the pistol as well as my return to pistol shooting. I'm very eager to see how I do with the USP Expert, not only is it a better gun, but I've always been a much stronger shooter with the USP platform than 1911s.

    Still thinking about adding those pachmayr grips to this pistol...

    *edited with pics of equipment per rules*


    Last edited by Elucidus; 01-15-2008, 9:59 AM.
  • #2
    FlyingPen
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 2377

    How does it compare to the Kimber Custom II?

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    • #3
      Elucidus
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 717

      Originally posted by FlyingPen
      How does it compare to the Kimber Custom II?
      Feature-wise, they're very close. I would think they're very similar. I am not as picky about my 1911s as some shooters might be. Now that I've found out Kimber has gone back to internal extractors, I wish I'd given them more consideration.

      The 1911PD is lighter and has a skosh more felt recoil. It felt really snappy when I first shot it, not as bad now. Perhaps I've been strengthening my wrists up in the last 400 rounds.

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      • #4
        AfricanHunter
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 1005

        Isn't there a rule somewhere that says every time you post an equipment report without posting pictures of the equipment, a puppy gets run over?
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        • #5
          Elucidus
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2007
          • 717

          Wouldn't want to hurt the puppies...

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          • #6
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27621

            S&W overall has some of the best 1911s out there (unless you count rarer/hypercustom race guns by 'name' smiths).

            They always go 'bang'.

            I'll take an S&W 1911 over a Kimber or a Sig GSR anyday.

            Bill Wiese
            San Jose, CA

            CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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            • #7
              FlyingPen
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 2377

              Originally posted by bwiese

              I'll take an S&W 1911 over a Kimber or a Sig GSR anyday.
              Really? Why so?

              I'm looking to get a Kimber Custom II. From everything I've heard, around the $600-800 area, Kimbers are supposed to be the best.

              This is pretty much just a range gun and possibly home defense.

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              • #8
                bwiese
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Oct 2005
                • 27621

                Originally posted by FlyingPen
                Really? Why so?

                I'm looking to get a Kimber Custom II. From everything I've heard, around the $600-800 area, Kimbers are supposed to be the best.

                This is pretty much just a range gun and possibly home defense.
                I've heard too many jam-o-matic stories w/Kimbers and I kinda keep track of things like that. Maybe they're ultra-accurate due to really tight tolerances, whatever - but then that makes for stoppages/jams.

                I suspect Kimber supporters - and those who think their single functioning Kimber is representative of the whole production - will pipe up.

                But I won't buy one, I'll take the Smith.

                Bill Wiese
                San Jose, CA

                CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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                to be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Net
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                employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as
                legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                • #9
                  Gunner1
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 624

                  I know better than to get into a debate with Bill so I will just chime in as a Kimber Supporter. I have seven full functioning kimbers. My favorite are my matched set of Ultra Tactical II's I have about 3500 rounds through one of them. It has been my carry gun since I bought it in 2005. Since leaving law enforcement I don't get the free ammo any more so the round count has increased slowly but I think highly of the little guns and see no need to replace them. My other five Kimbers are early production models from when I owned the gunshop, I have one of each model listed in their 1999 catalog. I purchased them as demos for the shop and decided to keep them all when the shop was sold. Excellent guns.
                  I also have a couple Smith and Wesson 45's one of the old 745 IPSC pistols and a newer 945. Both have always worked well, so instead of starting a Smith vs. Kimber battle lets just buy both and hope that the stupid safety test bs we have to put up with in Kalifornistan goes away so we can get the handguns we want.
                  Way back when when I was in Gunsmithing school at Lassen College we did alot of work on 1911's and took the introduction of the Kimbers with a grain of salt. After actually working on some of the early guns, doing rockwell hardness tests and function testing we were all worried that the days of $2k customs were gone. Now we are looking at $2k+factory guns. At least the price stayed the same.

                  Gunner

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                  • #10
                    oghl888
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 612

                    Originally posted by bwiese
                    S&W overall has some of the best 1911s out there (unless you count rarer/hypercustom race guns by 'name' smiths).

                    They always go 'bang'.

                    I'll take an S&W 1911 over a Kimber or a Sig GSR anyday.

                    +1 on that. If I were to buy another factory 1911, it would probably be a S&W 1911.

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                    • #11
                      FlyingPen
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 2377

                      What's this I hear about Kimber using substandard MIM parts from India?


                      edit: From reading further, it seems everyone uses MIM parts including Colt and S&W
                      Last edited by FlyingPen; 01-16-2008, 10:38 PM.

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