Buying from out of state w/out high cap mags

[calbear550]

Hello everyone, was fortunate to find this site as my interest in firearms had grown over the last couple months. Have already learned so much and interacted with a couple members regarding their private classifieds. Just awesome!

Have a question that I haven't quite been able to find a definitive answer for that maybe some one could shed some light.

After speaking with an out of state seller, when the gun that I thought I bought was not in stock, he offered to sell me a identical one with the high cap mags disassembled for parts. Now if my local FFL is willing to accept this, will I have a problem DROS'ing it?

The SKU will obviously not match, but how are these firearms monitored, SKU or Serial # or Model or a combination of them all? I did read somewhere that CA approved guns were "assembled" specifically for CA.

Thanks for any help that can be offered!

[Robidouxs]

Is this handgun on the CA safe handgun roster?

What is being shipped into CA? (Glock 19 3rd gen , Sig 229R, etc.)

[Arkangel]

If its on the DOJ approved handgun roster then you are g2g. What handgun did you buy and what handgun is being offered to you?

[calbear550]

Thanks for the fast reply. The handgun is on the approved DOJ list. I'm looking at a Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm F-type, SKU JXF9F20, which is for the 10 RD.

He offered to ship me the 17 RD version, SKU JXF9F21, with the 17 RD mags disassembled. The reason for the confusion, is that one out of state dealer said it wouldn't be a problem, and another said it would be.

[Quiet]

Because, the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale does not list the SKU#, it is good-to-go.

Whats on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale:
Beretta PX4 Storm Type F / Steel, Polymer Pistol 4" 9mm 12/14/2012

As long as it is a 9x19mm Beretta PX4 Type F, it's considered to be on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

However, in order for a CA FFL dealer to release a handgun, a functional magazine is required for the safe handling demonstration (which is required by law [PC 26850]).

So, you will need a 10 round magazine in order to be able to take it after the 10 day wait. Otherwise, the CA FFL dealer can not release the handgun to you [PC 26850].
Because of this, some CA FFL dealers will not accept/transfer a handgun without a functional 10 round or less magazine.



Penal Code 26850
(a) Except as authorized by the department, no firearms dealer may deliver a handgun unless the recipient performs a safe handling demonstration with that handgun.
(b) The safe handling demonstration shall commence with the handgun unloaded and locked with the firearm safety device with which it is required to be delivered, if applicable. While maintaining muzzle awareness, that is, the firearm is pointed in a safe direction, preferably down at the ground, and trigger discipline, that is, the trigger finger is outside of the trigger guard and along side of the handgun frame, at all times, the handgun recipient shall correctly and safely perform the following:
(1) If the handgun is a semiautomatic pistol, the steps listed in Section 26853.
(2) If the handgun is a double-action revolver, the steps listed in Section 26856.
(3) If the handgun is a single-action revolver, the steps listed in Section 26859.
(c) The recipient shall receive instruction regarding how to render that handgun safe in the event of a jam.
(d) The firearms dealer shall sign and date an affidavit stating that the requirements of subdivisions (a) and (b) have been met. The firearms dealer shall additionally obtain the signature of the handgun purchaser on the same affidavit. The firearms dealer shall retain the original affidavit as proof of compliance with this requirement.
(e) The recipient shall perform the safe handling demonstration for a department-certified instructor.
(f) No demonstration shall be required if the dealer is returning the handgun to the owner of the handgun.
(g) Department-certified instructors who may administer the safe handling demonstration shall meet the requirements set forth in subdivision (b) of Section 31635.
(h) The persons who are exempt from the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 31615, pursuant to Section 31700, are also exempt from performing the safe handling demonstration.

[stix213]

However, in order for a CA FFL dealer to release a handgun, a functional magazine is required for the safe handling demonstration (which is required by law [PC 26850]).

So, you will need a 10 round magazine in order to be able to take it after the 10 day wait. Otherwise, the CA FFL dealer can not release the handgun to you [PC 26850].
Because of this, some CA FFL dealers will not accept/transfer a handgun without a functional 10 round or less magazine.

This ^^^

You can solve this problem by picking up at least one 10 round mag before picking up the gun. Probably want to let the receiving FFL know you're going to do that.

Make sure you communicate with the receiving FFL about the rebuild kits, or have the seller ship those directly to you. Many FFL's (most?) don't want to deal with them.

[calbear550]

Thanks for all the info, days of scouring with google, and it only took a couple hours with the forum. Appreciate you guys taking the time not only to read, but to respond as well. Thanks again.

[Sundowner]

"the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale does not list the SKU#"

True for the Berettas but not true for other handguns. The Smith & Wesson revolvers on the list are specified by SKU#. I wonder why the difference???

[scglock]

as long as its on the roster with no high caps you're set

[calbear550]

Now when I thought I had it figured out, I'm even more confused. I've read a number of forum member say "to find a CA approved CZ with high capacity mags and a FFL willing to accept it" and it shouldn't be a problem. Here's the confusion for me.

For the CZ SP-01 I want, the CA DOJ model is CZ 75 SP-01 01152 / Steel, Poly. The SKU/manufacturer part # is 01152.

The High capacity mag version, is 91152.

Are people able to get this version DROS'ed even with the mags disassembled?

Thanks.

[Press Check]

If there's an instance where the SKU is listed on the Roster with the model, both must match. In your case, that model has the 01152 SKU, and the 91152 is not listed, but at the dealers discretion, he can in fact substitute magazines.

[calbear550]

If there's an instance where the SKU is listed on the Roster with the model, both must match. In your case, that model has the 01152 SKU, and the 91152 is not listed, but at the dealers discretion, he can in fact substitute magazines.

Hey Press Check, thanks for the info. Wish I was looking when you sold that INOX, would've paid over your asking

When you say "at the dealers discrection" what do you mean? Would he still be able to DROS it even though the SKU is different, if he substitutes the mags? I've decided to wait for a local dealer to get stock, but this info hopefully might help someone in the future, thanks!

[Quiet]

"the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale does not list the SKU#"

True for the Berettas but not true for other handguns. The Smith & Wesson revolvers on the list are specified by SKU#. I wonder why the difference???

Listing the actual SKU# is up to the manufacturer/importer when they send the handguns info for listing.

Beretta is one of the manufacturers that does not send the SKU # for listing.
Whereas, S&W does send that info.

[Sundowner]

Thanks for the clarification, Quiet. One more reason not to like the current S&W management.