CCW

[T-Gill]

I have a question. Ok, so I want in the worst way to get a Springfield XDm .45 compact pistol. With it not being on the list of legal hand guns by the CaDOJ, I want to get it through PPT in another state that a family member lives in. My question is; if I get this gun with it not being on the CaDOJ, would it still be alowed as a CCW as long as it has the 10 round mags?

[CyberTrip]

You are not doing a PPT. You will be gifted the gun and they will send it to a local FFL of your choosing. Check the wiki on how that is done. Not being on the roster should not prevent you from listing it as a CCW handgun.

[twodog]

I work with a guy who has all kinds of guns that arent on the approved california list. He gets them from his father in Nevada, he say's there is some sort of loop hole if it's a gift from your father. the only problem would be the magazines but since its a 45 and probably not over 10 rounds that shouldnt be a problem. also if you know a LEO he could buy the firearm to use in CA then PPT to you and that is legal.

[44fred]

How are you going to buy the gun legally? Are you a resident of California? Do you already have a CCW in Cal?

I had a high cap Glock 19 on my CCW for years after the mag cap reduction due to it being grandfathered in so to speak.

Don't think the issuing authority of your CCW would care if you attained it legally.

[Librarian]

I have a question. Ok, so I want in the worst way to get a Springfield XDm .45 compact pistol. With it not being on the list of legal hand guns by the CaDOJ, I want to get it through PPT in another state that a family member lives in. My question is; if I get this gun with it not being on the CaDOJ, would it still be alowed as a CCW as long as it has the 10 round mags?

Just some terminology issues....

Not on the Roster is not the same as illegal.

As CyberTrip notes, the transaction you envision is not a PPT but an interstate transfer; see also the Calguns Foundation Wiki articles on

Intrafamilial transfer - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Tr...Family_Members

Interstate transfer - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Tr...rms_Interstate

What guns are allowed on an LTC (License to Carry, the formal name in CA for 'CCW') is up to the issuing agency; that said, nothing in PC supports restricting the listed weapons to those that are also on the Roster.

And, while the buy-from-a-LEO route is legal (if carefully done), after the indictments in Sacramento of two deputies, I think there may be some reluctance to participate in those sales for a while.

[T-Gill]

What if its a gift from a brother...?

[T-Gill]

Is a Private Party Transfer not the same as a legal way of being gifted a gun?

[CyberTrip]

What if its a gift from a brother...?

It must be from a parent, grandparent, or child. A transfer from your brother is an interstate transfer and the gun must be on the roster.

Is a Private Party Transfer not the same as a legal way of being gifted a gun?

No, a PPT is only between two residents of CA.

[M27]

You are not doing a PPT. You will be gifted the gun and they will send it to a local FFL of your choosing. Check the wiki on how that is done. Not being on the roster should not prevent you from listing it as a CCW handgun.

^this

you can have a non list weapon on your CCW.

you will have to abide by the 10 round cap because there was no way you could of had a pre ban for a Xdm

and I'm pretty sure on this part but if someone could check it, the mags must be disassembled before it ships unless they are not made 10 rounders before it ships

[Sig Fan 55]

You can also ask the shops in your area if they do SSE (single shot exemption) to avoid the whole transfer and shipping. Not sure where you are located but there are shops in the Bay Area and SoCal.

[Quiet]

The Springfield Armory XDM-45 series uses the same magazines as the Springfield Armory XD-45 series.
So, factory 10 round magazines are available for the XDM-45.

[clutchy]

it's not a loophole it's a legal gift.

it's not an illegal gun it's off roster.

[winnre]

you will have to abide by the 10 round cap because there was no way you could of had a pre ban for a Xdm

Hmmm, there may be some debate on this. Ownership is not illegal as we have discussed on the forums. Never say HOW or WHERE you got it.

[clutchy]

Hmmm, there may be some debate on this. Ownership is not illegal as we have discussed on the forums. Never say HOW or WHERE you got it.

do not illegally import or manufacture high capacity magazines in CA.

if you want to break the law and take your chances w/ the statute of limitations that's another issue.

[Quiet]

do not illegally import or manufacture high capacity magazines in CA.

if you want to break the law and take your chances w/ the statute of limitations that's another issue.

Another thing to consider...
Even if the statue of limitations has past, any illegally imported/manufactured large capacity magazine is a public nuisance subject to confiscation/destruction.

So, you may not be charged with a crime due to the statue of limitation being past, but you won't be able to keep the illegally obtained large capacity magazines.


Penal Code 32310
Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2000, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison.

Penal Code 32390
Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any large-capacity magazine is a nuisance and is subject to Section 18010.

Penal Code 18010
(a) The Attorney General, district attorney, or city attorney may bring an action to enjoin the manufacture of, importation of, keeping for sale of, offering or exposing for sale, giving, lending, or possession of, any item that constitutes a nuisance under any of the following provisions:
(20) Section 32390, relating to a large-capacity magazine.
(b) These weapons shall be subject to confiscation and summary destruction whenever found within the state.