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[INEEDMILK]

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[Cyc Wid It]

Welcome to CA. Please read the stickies at the top of every page regarding Assault Weapon laws and the Calguns wiki pages for help. 99% of what you hear in gun stores and in the internet about CA gun laws is wrong.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Moving_to_California_with_firearms

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Voluntary_Registration

[djleisure]

My guns are:

1) Glock 19 Gen4 with Viridian C5L and other random additions (with 4x 15-round magazines and 1x 33-round magazine)

2) Glock 17 RTF2 completely stock (with 2x 17-round magazines)

3) Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 Gauge (18" barrel, pistol grip, 5+1 capacity, telescoping stock and mounted light)


My friends gun is:

1) Sig Sauer P226 Elite .40 completely stock (with 2x 13-round magazines)



I understand that my magazines will not be allowed in CA, and that the way to comply with state law is to have them disassembled for the entire time I reside in CA. Is this correct? CORRECT

Now, my real concern is with the drive. I understand that FOPA protects people traveling interstate with firearms as long as the firearm is legal at both the starting and ending point. So while all my guns are legal in Florida, I am not sure about their legality at my destination in CA. From what I've read I have 60 days from the time I arrive in CA to register my firearms with the state. Is this correct? Will this make them legal? Should I preemptively register them before starting the trip? Not sure about the exact 60 days, but yes, there is a grace period in which you should register your guns here. They are legal to bring into the state and keep in the state, since you are the owner.

I also understand that the state of CA is very specific about what kinds of guns are allowed to be possessed. I heard someone say that Gen4 Glocks are not allowed, but are OK if purchased out of state and brought into your residence. Is this correct? The Gen4 Glock may not be on our list (not sure) but it doesn't matter, since you own it legally and are bringing it into the state.

What about my Mossberg and its telescoping stock? Is that legal? Are there certain types of 12 Gauge ammo that are illegal here (buckshot, birdshot, etc.) ? Telescoping stocks and pistol grips are good to go on pump shotguns. No ammo restrictions (except maybe Dragons Breath, not sure.)

Is there anything else to note about the legality of my firearms? You aren't bringing anything particularly exotic in, so it looks good to go for me.


Also, I have about 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo (all FMJ with about 20 JHPs) and about 50 rounds of 12 Gauge ammo (all 00 or #4 buck) at my house here in Florida. Is is legal to transport that stuff to CA as long as it is in a separate and locked container in my trunk? Is there anything else to know about transporting ammunition either from state-to-state or within California itself?
You can transport the ammo into California littered all over the floor of your car if you want. There is no law stating you need to lock ammo up.


This is what I understand so far:

- I am allowed to possess a gun in CA that is NOT on the "allowed" list (Gen 4 Glock) as long as it was purchased out-of-state and brought in. CORRECT

- The gun and ammo must be separate and both in locked containers in your trunk (not accessible from the passenger cabin). Handguns need to be in a locked container and can be anywhere in your vehicle WITH loaded magazines in the same container. The ammo does NOT need to be separated.

- My high-capacity magazines will be in compliance if they are disassembled and stay disassembled for the entirety of my stay in San Diego. CORRECT

- My pistols and shotgun must stay in my residence at all times unless I am traveling to the range, in which case they must be unloaded and in separate and locked containers in my trunk. This one is a little more involved, but you can technically have a handgun in a locked container in your car at all times as well as a shotgun. The shotgun does not need to be locked up, UNLESS you are driving 1000 from any school (which you almost always are in urban areas.) Like I said, there is more to this, but that's the gist.

Is this all correct? Is there anything else to note?


So what about my friends pistol? He has yet to register his gun with CA, so would that make it illegal for me to transport it across the country to his place in CA? Is transporting someone elses gun even legal in the first place?
It sounds to me like you are bringing YOUR gun into the state and you will decide to sell it to him when you arrive, via PPT at a local FFL. If the gun is not on our approved list, then you may have to register it in your name here first and then PPT with your friend.


I apologize for this long post, but I am concerned about this trip and want to take every measure to make sure I am adhering to the law. If anyone has any input on this issue, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

Answers in bold. There are a LOT of questions there and my answers are covering the BASICS.

[Librarian]

You've got it.

The only slight modification is that inside CA, transport does not require the ammunition to be separated from the gun(s), so long as the guns themselves are not loaded. Transport in a trunk without a distinct case is also legal, but having the cases is a good idea.

No issues with the ammo you mention.

Your guns are legal in CA, so the FOPA protection, such as it is, would apply. Legal does not require 'registered', at least not until 61 days after you bring the guns into the state.

Be sure your friend's SIG mags are also disassembled. Returning a loan in person is legal.

[djleisure]

^^^ Librarian's answers trump mine!

[tonelar]

We can't buy gen 4 glocks new in CA because we have a Roster of Approved Handguns.
However, since you already own them you are 100% good to go providing you strip down your 11 and over magazines (while in CA). So, looks like you're legal (without vol reg) until your 61st day living here.
Your Mossberg is fine as is (CA AW Shotgun Laws only start mattering when auto loaders are concerned).
The main issue for you transporting is that CA requires the handguns be unloaded and in a locked container when being transported. Long guns need to be unloaded but the locked container is only necessary if you drive within 1000 feet of a school.

No issue with you returnng your friend's Sig to him. Just remember to break down his magazines. He should voluntarily register it with CA asap (since he's here already).

Here's a link to the registration paperwork:

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/volreg.pdf

[Bug Splat]

Very nice research. Most don't do their homework until after 61 days . Seems like you know more than 99% of gun shops and the DOJ.

djleisure is correct and Librarian is the guru of Cali gun laws here. Very knowledgeable and helpful. His post is correct, as usual. Cali is not as anti-gun as most states think. We have a lot of stupid laws but there are exceptions to the rules which members here excel at finding. The market here is HUGE despite the anti-gun hippies that get a lot of media attention.

Let me be the first to welcome you to Cali. You will love the weather here. No such thing as "seasons" in San Diego. Its always the same, beautiful.

[Bw511]

You will love the weather here. No such thing as "seasons" in San Diego. Its always the same, beautiful.

That's not true at all! "Spring" is Apr-Jul, "Summer" is Aug-Nov, and "Winter" is Dec-Mar. We seem to skip one though...

[RickD427]

You've got it.

The only slight modification is that inside CA, transport does not require the ammunition to be separated from the gun(s), so long as the guns themselves are not loaded. Transport in a trunk without a distinct case is also legal, but having the cases is a good idea.

No issues with the ammo you mention.

Your guns are legal in CA, so the FOPA protection, such as it is, would apply. Legal does not require 'registered', at least not until 61 days after you bring the guns into the state.

Be sure your friend's SIG mags are also disassembled. Returning a loan in person is legal.

+1 to Librarian's post.

Please be careful not to place to much faith in FOPA. Due to some recent rulings from the Supreme Court, FOPA has become something of a "Toothless Tiger". FOPA was intended to protect the rights of firearm owners when traveling with firearms. In two cases involving the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, persons were arrested even though they were carrying weapons in compliance with FOPA. They ultimately prevailed in their criminal cases and were never convicted, but they were denied the opportunity to sue the law enforcement agencies and officers involved. The bottom line seems to be that FOPA will give you an affirmative defense to a criminal charge, but it will not provide you any civil recourse for a false arrest.

[winnre]

Good heavens I live in southern CA and cannot WAIT to find a way to Tampa!

[wamphyri13]

Check the barrel length on the Mossberg. I believe it's actually 18.5" because anything under 18" is illegal. The 1/2" was to cover the bases.
Ryan

[MIAMIbaseballer]

One more question:


Is there any kind of ammo that is specifically illegal to use in local ranges in San Diego?

I met someone yesterday (a security guard) who said that I needed to use TMJ 9mm, as opposed to FMJ, at local ranges because of California law regarding lead deposits in the soil.

Is this accurate?

That is completely false.... There is no "Ca law" stating that.... However a private range can make whatever kind of rules they want but I can't see any range banning fmj or no one would shoot there

[wamphyri13]

Also, no tracer ammo, incendiary ammo, explosive, etc. Basic ammo is good to go.
Ryan

[immaculate]

Nice job on the research - welcome to CA. I think you'll like San Diego - I lived there for 6 years and now live in Miami half of the year. I think you'll find that the lack of humidity in SoCal compared to FL is amazing