3.5 lb disconnector for glock

[RAMCLAP]

Please point out where I said people have been convicted? I never wrote that. You wrote that.
What I did suggest is that several prominent gun attorneys have suggested that modifying your trigger on an HD or CCW gun is akin to using "Cop Killer" Black Talons or perforated Zombie killing ammo
from a risk assessment point of view. It's not advised.

That's why I typed "Just my opinion, better to be conservative about this."

For a criminal conviction of negligent discharge or manslaughter, a prosecutor must prove the defendant acted with "gross negligence," defined as a reckless disregard for human safety.
Here is an article by famed gun writer and self defense pistol trainer/instructor Massad Ayoob that outlines six cases. Define a hair trigger for us RAMCLAP. Are you confident that an opposing attorney
couldn't convince a non gun educated jury and or judge what a "hair trigger" is and that the OPs modified or change connector wasn't a hair trigger? Are you professing greater knowledge of this than
Massad Ayoob?

https://athlonoutdoors.com/article/h...s%20GLOCK%2021.

Nice try. Are you really going to act like you didn't imply that modifying your HD weapon would get you in trouble with with the law and prosecutors? Everyone read what you wrote. If you want to walk it back thats fine. I'm not gonna play "gotcha" with you. Again, everyone read what you wrote and there is no evidence that anyone has been charged or convicted for modding a gun.

[Capybara]

...modifying your HD weapon would get you in trouble with with the law and prosecutors?

Once again, where did I write those words? I would say I implied it "could" get you into trouble and that it was my opinion. You seem to speak only in absolutes and not in discussion. Discussion and debate is where we make assertions based on our opinions and we go back and forth with opposing opinions to share them and try to make the most convincing argument. Guess you have never debated, never was in debate club at school?

And yes, based upon being friends with three local sheriffs deputies, speaking with the detectives in my county's CCW unit and having worked a bit with the local DA on some unrelated to gun projects but having long interviews on camera with them about conviction criteria, yes, my opinion is modifying your trigger on an HD or CCW gun is a bad idea. I didn't say it was illegal or that it would get you convicted. It's my opinion that it's not a wise move. You disagree but offer no citations, anecdotal experiences or anything else, just that my assertion isn't correct. Weak tea.

[Capybara]

Massad Ayoob has been spreading this BS for years without shred of evidence. Just like you did in this thread.

So in your opinion, none of the cited cases ever happened? Ayoob is a liar? As a writer, what possible gain would he have in spreading completely completely false assertions? Are the defendants in the cases paying him off to cite the cases to make the states look bad?
I will admit I didn't go so far as doing LexisNexis search on each of the six cases put forth and research them myself, but did you? Based on what you wrote, just sounds like your unsubstantiated opinion, which is no better than mine.

If you're going to say Ayoob is full of shyte, it makes it more convincing if you have evidence to back up your assertion.

[RAMCLAP]

Once again, where did I write those words? I would say I implied it "could" get you into trouble and that it was my opinion. You seem to speak only in absolutes and not in discussion. Discussion and debate is where we make assertions based on our opinions and we go back and forth with opposing opinions to share them and try to make the most convincing argument. Guess you have never debated, never was in debate club at school?

And yes, based upon being friends with three local sheriffs deputies, speaking with the detectives in my county's CCW unit and having worked a bit with the local DA on some unrelated to gun projects but having long interviews on camera with them about conviction criteria, yes, my opinion is modifying your trigger on an HD or CCW gun is a bad idea. I didn't say it was illegal or that it would get you convicted. It's my opinion that it's not a wise move. You disagree but offer no citations, anecdotal experiences or anything else, just that my assertion isn't correct. Weak tea.

You wrote it and I quoted it. If you wish to pretend that you didn't it has been quoted. You offered no proof. No citations and then when others contest it you demand proof. You play a poor game and it's obvious to all reading. The one making the claim must offer the proof. That's how it's done in
America.

[tacticalcity]

I wouldn't upgrade a defensive pistols' trigger. You paid for the brand's reliability. Changes like this take away from that. It's no longer a "Glock". It's the firearms equivalent of a "retromod". For a sporting gun, like a competition pistol, modifying the trigger makes a lot more sense. All you potentially risk is not winning the competition if the modification results in a failure.

There are exceptions to the rule. This would make a lot more sense to me the trigger were truly awful. For example, I put an Apex spring upgrade in my the S&W SW40P my father gave me because the trigger was nightmarishly awful without it and almost a pleasure with it. But the Glock trigger is a nice trigger. Crunkyness aside.

I am also a fan of building your own Gucci Glock. I am all for tricking the heck out of those. But since I have muscle memory for the Glock trigger, I actually put standard Glock triggers in mine. Not for the brand reliability. That no longer exists for a gun this heavily modified. But because it is what I know and am comfortable with.

I have 30+ years muscle memory built into a Glock trigger. When I pick up a Glock my body and mind expect to find a specific trigger pull and feel. If I monkeyed with that I would throw off 30+ years of training and experience. A lighter trigger or different feeling trigger would take getting used to for me. If that's not you, I get it. But it is worth saying that lighter is not always better. There is such a thing as light enough and such a thing as too light.

When I put a really light trigger in one of my ARs, after 30+ years of getting used to the weight of standard milspec trigger it was a hot mess. I took a training course soon after with it, and thankfully had another AR with me as a backup, and I found I would fire a tiny fraction of a second sooner than I wanted to during drills and my timing was all wrong. I switched to my other rifle for the rest of the course and did fine. In time, I would have been able to train myself out of it, but why? I was really good with the trigger I knew and had mastered. Why undo that and start all over? Especially if I wasn't going to add that upgrade to all my other ARs.

The funny thing about muscle memory is the body and mind can distinguish between say a 1911 and a Glock and instantly knows which to set of muscle memory to use when shooting it if you've been shooting those different guns long enough. But it can't seem to distinguish between two virtually identical guns without a lot of mental gymnastics. At least not for me. I am sure you can train yourself out of that. But why?

[stormvet]

Every Glock I own has a 3.5 connector, some are Glock and some are aftermarket. All are very similar and close in feel, my preferred Glock trigger feel and the reason all my Glocks have it. Giving all 16 Glocks I currently own a very similar trigger, I would not over think it or go down the Glock aftermarket connector rabbit hole. Get a Glock 3.5 or a quality well known aftermarket 3.5 and you will be fine.

[Matt P]

To suggest you create greater liability with something modified..

I have met the reasonable person standard and I need to defend myself against imminent death or great bodily harm. If I reach for a pencil to do this with but see a pen, I have increased my liability? After all the pen may not break.

An effective defense consideration for mods could be as simple as they help me be more consistent with my application of force.

Offering ayoob as the last word on this topic is similar to suggesting weaver stance has it's merits even today. That it doesn't matter we know more today, we should still consider those older concepts.

Just my opinion.....

On another forum that ayoob frequents, a member asked him this question.
Wilson Spring kit for a J frame. Good, bad, ugly? I will be caring it sometimes for pocket carry for Defense. The kit worked fine in my old 442, but I sure want the gun to go off when needed.

ayoob response...Wilson Combat makes good stuff. When you change the springs, you always want to test it with the ammo you'll be using to be 100% sure and confident.
Best,
Mas

Another member asked this... I have a question. I put an aftermarket mainspring in a 1971 model 10 S&W. It works great but now makes a ringing sound when firing or dry firing with dummy rounds. Is this normal?

ayoob response... Depends on the spring, I guess. Don't worry about that; take it out and shoot hell out of it and make sure it works.

Good luck,
Mas

Everyone is allowed to change their opinion. I see two examples in his response that suggest he may have relaxed his stance on self defense handgun mods.

[1911whore]

I prefer the standard 5lb connector over the 3.5. The 3.5 gives a more mushy break and the 5 gives a cleaner break. I would polish connecting surfaces

[RAMCLAP]

I prefer the standard 5lb connector over the 3.5. The 3.5 gives a more mushy break and the 5 gives a cleaner break. I would polish connecting surfaces

It is the complete opposite for me. I put the 3.5 on both of mine and it cleaned them right up.

[Avocado Toast]

Once the discharge of the firearm takes place, the inquiry will be whether the shooting was justified. It will focus solely on the facts leading up to discharging the firearm and not whether the gun has aftermarket trigger, sights, grips, recoil spring or any other mod. Just whether the shoot was righteous or not.

Having an Apex, Overwatch or even the .25 cent polishing job have no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. None at all.

Where the mods can come into effect is showing a depraved mind such as coupling the gun with other comments that you wanted the trigger pull to be as light as possible when you smoke someone. The greatest defense you have in a shooting is to be able to articulate why deadly force was necessary and then having the evidence married with what you observed.

But if it ever comes up on why you made mods to your gun, you should be able to explain why these mods are necessary. For instance, if you have an RDS on your G19, the answer is that it helps you shoot better but the better answer might be that your eyes are getting older and it's harder to focus on the front sight, the rear sight and the target but the RDS let's you more accurately place a precise shot when deadly force is necessary instead of perhaps negligently sending a round off the target and hitting an innocent bystander. Perhaps you have astigmatism and the RDS helps you to know where the bullet will go.

On the other hand, and I wouldn't advise it, but to defeat a claim of a negligent discharge of your gun with the lighter trigger, you could always say, "I intentionally shot him because his actions left me with no other choice." That would certainly work to defeat a negligence allegation.

[ar15barrels]

Whats the difference between these two drop in 3.5lb disconnectors?

First, Glocks don't have disconnectors.
Glocks have Connectors.
The connector is what the trigger bar slides against to retract and then release the striker.

The commonly referred to weights of the connector are NOT the trigger pull weight.
The trigger pull is usually a half a pound to a pound more than the connector weight.
A stock connector is 5lbs on a Glock 17/19 and the trigger pull will be 5.5 to 6lbs.
Glock 17L, 34 and 34 come with the 4lb connector and will have a 4.5 to 5lb pull in stock configuration.

The differences in connectors are the CAMMING ANGLE of the tab that causes the trigger bar to drop.
The lower weight connectors trade trigger pull LENGTH for pull WEIGHT.
The stock connector gives a shorter but heavier (considered more crisp) trigger pull.
The lower weight connectors make the pull longer and most people refer to them as being more mushy.

In the search for a better trigger pull (better being shorter/crisper and lighter), the first change should be a heavier trigger spring.
That sounds like backwards logic, but in the Glock design, the trigger spring is NOT a trigger return spring but instead is a spring that makes the trigger easier to pull.
The Glock design has you drawing the striker to the rear before releasing the striker.
The trigger spring pulls AGAINST the striker spring.
By increasing the trigger spring tension, you effectively make it easier to pull the striker rearward.

Don't be tempted to reduce the striker spring tension as this is important for reliable ignition.

While you have the gun apart to put a heavier trigger spring, polish all the points of contact between the trigger bar and the striker and the connector as well as the contacting surfaces of the connector and the striker face.
Don't round off edges, especially in the striker face and the rear of the trigger bar.

Huge gains in trigger reset length can be had by shortening the trigger bar travel with an over-travel screw.
The reset length from shot to shot is the distance that the trigger must be released before it can be pulled again.
Since the Glock has a lot of overtravel, you can take that excessive overtravel out and that makes your shot-to-shot distance shorter without messing with any safety features.

For a basic Glock trigger on a gun that you use defensively, I would not change out the connector.
I would change the trigger spring and add an overtravel stop and polish the stock parts that move during the firing cycle and call it done.
An alternative to polishing is to simply dry-fire 5000 to 10,000 times and let the parts burnish each other.
I do this kind of work for people that want a professional to do it for them.

[Usmc0844spare]

Just my take, your HD gun is NO different than a CCW gun as far as how an opposition attorney will try to lambast you in a criminal or civil trial after a shoot. The generally agreed upon thinking is DO NOT mod your trigger, at all, keep the stock Glock trigger.
Do you really want to be a in courtroom with the prosecuting attorney arguing how during an SD shoot, you had modified your stock trigger to a "hair trigger to kill more efficiently"? Yes, as stupid as it seems, this could happen. Non gun educated public and judges literally know NOTHING about guns and they
believe the worst about a gun owner, especially in Commifornia. Range toy, go nuts. HD or CCW pistol, do not modify your trigger. Then there is one less thing for an lawyer to glom onto. That's why my CCW guns carry the exact same ammo as our local Sheriff uses. They can't say it's
some kind of special ultra lethal ammo if it's the same ammo the cops use to shoot people.

Just my opinion, better to be conservative about this.

I'd love to see some documentation on this. Can you cite any cases besides the 2 POLICE involved cases in that link? I don't consider these relevant considering I am unlikely to every be going hand to hand with someone where "oops it went off while I was trying to subdue him [instead of shooting him because he was in my dwelling without my permission]" as in the first case. And the 2nd case is pure supposition:

“Hair trigger” headlines may have panicked the officer’s department into settling for an amount that was never publicly disclosed. However, a member of that state’s crime lab, where the gun was examined, said later that the aftermarket trigger “added a zero to the amount of the settlement.”

To OP: Just stick with the standard connector. What's the difference between a mushy light Glock trigger and a mushy std Glock trigger? Not much in my estimation.

Not hating on Glock triggers, Glock is the only centerfire handgun I've got. But I've tried every darn thing, including the GPT, in my G17.3... and I am back to pretty much stock, minus a flat face trigger shoe.

[Avocado Toast]

First, Glocks don't have disconnectors.
Glocks have Connectors.
The connector is what the trigger bar slides against to retract and then release the striker.

The commonly referred to weights of the connector are NOT the trigger pull weight.
The trigger pull is usually a half a pound to a pound more than the connector weight.
A stock connector is 5lbs on a Glock 17/19 and the trigger pull will be 5.5 to 6lbs.
Glock 17L, 34 and 34 come with the 4lb connector and will have a 4.5 to 5lb pull in stock configuration.

The differences in connectors are the CAMMING ANGLE of the tab that causes the trigger bar to drop.
The lower weight connectors trade trigger pull LENGTH for pull WEIGHT.
The stock connector gives a shorter but heavier (considered more crisp) trigger pull.
The lower weight connectors make the pull longer and most people refer to them as being more mushy.

In the search for a better trigger pull (better being shorter/crisper and lighter), the first change should be a heavier trigger spring.
That sounds like backwards logic, but in the Glock design, the trigger spring is NOT a trigger return spring but instead is a spring that makes the trigger easier to pull.
The Glock design has you drawing the striker to the rear before releasing the striker.
The trigger spring pulls AGAINST the striker spring.
By increasing the trigger spring tension, you effectively make it easier to pull the striker rearward.

Don't be tempted to reduce the striker spring tension as this is important for reliable ignition.

While you have the gun apart to put a heavier trigger spring, polish all the points of contact between the trigger bar and the striker and the connector as well as the contacting surfaces of the connector and the striker face.
Don't round off edges, especially in the striker face and the rear of the trigger bar.

Huge gains in trigger reset length can be had by shortening the trigger bar travel with an over-travel screw.
The reset length from shot to shot is the distance that the trigger must be released before it can be pulled again.
Since the Glock has a lot of overtravel, you can take that excessive overtravel out and that makes your shot-to-shot distance shorter without messing with any safety features.

For a basic Glock trigger on a gun that you use defensively, I would not change out the connector.
I would change the trigger spring and add an overtravel stop and polish the stock parts that move during the firing cycle and call it done.
An alternative to polishing is to simply dry-fire 5000 to 10,000 times and let the parts burnish each other.
I do this kind of work for people that want a professional to do it for them.

Just to do a slight different take on this otherwise informative post, on my G19, for years I ran the factory "-" connector and the NY1 spring. The pull stayed around 5.5 lbs. but the character of the pull was different. Those are all factory parts and, along with the. 25 cent polishing, made for a very smooth trigger. I probably have 40k rounds, if not more, through the gun with that combo.