Compact 9mm for CCW: P365 vs P2000SK vs CZ RAMI

[Snoopy47]

Welp, I'm now pretty irked I missed the two free P365 magazines by a month (bought mine in April).

I went with the P365 without much comparison, but I'm happy with it. The trigger is head and shoulders better than my G43.

I think generally the choices you present are a toss up. Relative size, and capacity are all there.

I would suggest getting a Red Dot capable model.

I would suggest smaller and thinner are better for carry. Never mind actual shoot ability (yea, yea you don't want horrible). 99.9% of the time you are only going to be carrying it. So if it gets the job done in regard to defending yourself/others then actual carry comfort should be high up on the list of qualities that decide what you carry.

[Snoopy47]

Just a practical thought, I am replacing all five of my subcompacts with compacts to carry, the Walther PDP Compact, the G19 and the Beretta PX4 Storm. Yes, they are larger and heavier but trying to draw subcompacts from cover while having a good grip from the holster is nearly impossible. This means you lose precious micro seconds getting the pistol out of the holster, THEN have to reposition the tiny pistol in your hands for a proper grip, then firing. It sucks.

.......I VERY carefully watched what the other people in my class were shooting and how effective they were. .....

.....So I would be honest with yourself, are you are a really accomplished handgunner? Do you have a lot of experience carrying, practicing drawing from concealment? .....

I totally hear what you are saying......................

It's on the CCW holder to be proficient with their carry.

These sub micro compacts serve a niche, but I'd always recommend at least one option for concealability over shootability. I can go to the beach with a P365, not so much my other carry options (1911 Commander, and 1911 Officer).

Let's not forget though............... with a P365 one can still get the larger frames and longer slides.

This is my P365 at 25 yards. Nothing fancy. I added the Holosun to the out of the box stock P365.

[acaligunner]

Can you please elaborate a bit about the statement "The H&K is more durable than the P365".

There’s an internal part that has / had some issue ~ and I’m not speaking about the past issues - it’s easy to look up.

[acaligunner]

Grey guns ( of I remember right ) does work ( on H&K ) trigger systems and other gunsmithing ~ if anyone is interested.

[allright]

You may want to include a Sig P938 in your choices.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-sig-sauer-p938-nitron

[riceman]

I am a Glock fan,26, 17,38(45gap), 21, 34, 30SF. Then paid a ridiculous amount for 43 as primary CCW gun. Last year I bought a 365 and now it is my main carry gun. Liked it so much 4 months later bought the 365 Macro. Still like the Glocks but damn those Sigs are nice.

[mblat]

I am not going to argue with your experience. Just note that I have Kahr PM9 for more than 10 years for sure; put couple thousands of rounds throw it. No problems what so ever.
Sure I polished the ramp and replace striker springs with the springs from M-Carbo ( and striker guide ) but I have no reasons to think that added to reliability.
It I ever get CCW it will be one of 3 guns on that license.

[Kalah50]

Thank you all for the great advice and for sharing your personal experiences.

It was really educational and great to read all your comments!

Okay well after much deliberation I went ahead and ordered the P365. I was suckered in by the free magazines. I figured the more 'modern' design and optics cut future proofs it, although I don't think I will run a red dot as it kinda negates the compact form factor.

Unfortunately I purchased the order tonight from Bass Pro and the email they sent me lists tomorrow as the order date '6/17/2025'! So I might have some trouble with the 2 free magazine deal. In which case I will likely cancel the order and purchase from another local retailer later this month.

[acaligunner]

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I would YouTube / google what internal spare parts you may need for that P365.

[naz]

Thank you all for the great advice and for sharing your personal experiences.

It was really educational and great to read all your comments!

Okay well after much deliberation I went ahead and ordered the P365. I was suckered in by the free magazines. I figured the more 'modern' design and optics cut future proofs it, although I don't think I will run a red dot as it kinda negates the compact form factor.

Unfortunately I purchased the order tonight from Bass Pro and the email they sent me lists tomorrow as the order date '6/17/2025'! So I might have some trouble with the 2 free magazine deal. In which case I will likely cancel the order and purchase from another local retailer later this month.

how are you planning to carry? If it’s 3 o clock or appendix my guess is Alter you strap it on, you’ll consider putting a dot, since the dot will be tucked under or right at your belt anyway and won’t make it any less concealable

also , on the same token, I wouldn’t be so worried about standard config 365 mags because you might want to use an xl or macro size grip for better grip with little or no concealment difference

[Ora Serrata]

IMO you can’t go wrong with the 365.
I have a HK P30SK in my permit as well as the 365. The HK is a lot chunkier and I carry the 365 a lot more.

[sigstroker]

You can find suppressor sights for sure.

[acaligunner]

IMO you can’t go wrong with the 365.
I have a HK P30SK in my permit as well as the 365. The HK is a lot chunkier and I carry the 365 a lot more.

Yes but that “ chunky “ pistol fits in the hand / disperses recoil better ( more surface area ) a bit better than a “ skinnier “ grip pistol. That’s why I like a more compact over micro.

[crosseyedshooter]

P365 FCU design lets you dial it to your personal preferences. Micro 9mm with 10+1? Of course. Sub-compact 9mm with 12+1? Sure. Compact 9mm with 17+1? As you like. Skinny factory polymer grip? Fatter Wilson Combat polymer grip? Metal grip? G10 grip? 3.1” barrel? 3.7” barrel? 4.3” barrel?

The only thing you can’t get really around is the physics of the slimline slides, but Radian Ramjet/Afterburner does a darn good job.

[mblat]

"Yes, they are larger and heavier but trying to draw subcompacts from cover while having a good grip from the holster is nearly impossible. This means you lose precious micro seconds getting the pistol out of the holster, THEN have to reposition the tiny pistol in your hands for a proper grip, then firing. It sucks."


You absolutely right. Yet, it is a corner case. I imagine that in most situations it is not about "how fast you can draw from holster". In my opinion in most situations (you are in store, library, church) there will be plenty of time to retrieve firearm. Shootouts ala Clint Eastwood is not main line business case.
So IMHO subcompacts have applications. Beach, women's purse etc...