Whats with California and the Gen 4 Glocks?

[deoxys987]

why dont stores like turners, bass pro or local gunshops sell the new Gen 4 Glocks? Is there something about it thats not legal or what? or do the gen 4 only have hicap mags? whats with CA and those new glocks???

[hunteran]

Not on the roster.

[PandaLuv]

Lol welcome to ca.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Gen4 glocks are off roster, they are 100% legal to own and buy through PPT or SSE. Though they cannot be sold through FFLs as on roster handguns.

[deoxys987]

Not on the roster.

Haven't they been out for a while? I wouldve thought they would have been on the roster by now. When do they update the roster? The first of the year or what?

[Duranimal]

No mag disconnect no lci indicator so no gen4 on roster. Take a look at the 229 enhanced elite compared to a standard 229 and see how ca defiles handguns

[ckprax]

They will never be on the roster; no lci or mag disconnect.

[tacticalcity]

Haven't they been out for a while? I wouldve thought they would have been on the roster by now. When do they update the roster? The first of the year or what?

Doesn't work that way. They will likely never be on the roster. They do not meet the specific design requirements set forth by California. Many if not most new handguns will never make the roster for that reason. California is trying to dictate to the gun companies how they must design their guns, with features like magazine disconnects and other things. Many if not most gun companies have decided not to comply.

For years, California has been extorting gun companies in order to get onto the approved handgun roster. They went too far by dictating that gun companies completely change their designs. The gun companies have had it with California, and I don't blame them. We are just one state, and a very liberal anti-gun state at that. If they bend to the wishes of this state, they set a dangerous precident. Pretty soon they will be designing completely useless guns so overloaded with "safety features" they no longer function at all. Politicians are not engineers, they need to stay out of designing guns.

[deoxys987]

Lol welcome to ca.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

Gen4 glocks are off roster, they are 100% legal to own and buy through PPT or SSE. Though they cannot be sold through FFLs as on roster handguns.

I've seen some of the gen 4 in LEO shops, they're nice! So what you're saying they're not on the illegal and not on the approved roster?

[shayski]

they are on the off list in ca. what happened is ca is suck a democratic nazi that they are now making gun manufactures submit the gun design and they need to be approved. there are specific requirements they must meet. well most major manufactures said f you ca we will sell everywhere else. so what you need to do is find a ffl thats doing ca compliant mods. In the case of the gen 4 glock its a longer (lone wolf) barrel to meet ca over all length requirements. then a mag mod making it a single shot.

[PandaLuv]

I've seen some of the gen 4 in LEO shops, they're nice! So what you're saying they're not on the illegal and not on the approved roster?

They are just no approved to sell through FFLs, meaning FFls can't sell them to the public. FFLs can only sell them to LEOs or civilians via Single Shot Exemption. You can get a gen 4 through an LEO or any other person that already has one through Private Party Transfer, or through an FFL that does SSE.


Honestly though, I had the gen 4 and sold it within few month, gen 3 is better, the only thing I liked about gen4 is different back straps and that's it.

[PandaLuv]

Doesn't work that way. They will likely never be on the roster. They do not meet the specific design requirements set forth by California. Many if not most new handguns will never make the roster for that reason. California is trying to dictate to the gun companies how they must design their guns, with features like magazine disconnects and other things. Many if not most gun companies have decided not to comply.

For years, California has been extorting gun companies in order to get onto the approved handgun roster. They went too far by dictating that gun companies completely change their designs. The gun companies have had it with California, and I don't blame them. We are just one state, and a very liberal anti-gun state at that. If they bend to the wishes of this state, they set a dangerous precident. Pretty soon they will be designing completely useless guns so overloaded with "safety features" they no longer function at all. Politicians are not engineers, they need to stay out of designing guns.

So true

Like someone said, the elite looks so hideous and I love p22x series.

You gotta give it up to SSE FFLs, it's great to know that people fighting for out right.

[Zula]

Awful for the gun companies as they are losing 40 million potential customers.

[tacticalcity]

Awful for the gun companies as they are losing 40 million potential customers.

No they are not loosing us as customers. Because with an hours drive anywhere within California you can find a dealer that offers SSE conversions to get around the roster.

Even if they did loose all of California, it would not hurt them at all. Their customer base is international. It is extremely arrogant of California to even attempt this nonesense. We make up such a tiny percentage of their customer base. One state trying to dictate policy to companies that sell world wide is ridiculous. It was a non-starter.

The only one suffering here is the State Government. They loose out on the money they used to be able to extort from the gun companies as fewer and fewer play ball. The problem here is that the politicians bought into their own lie. The roster was never about making sure guns were safe, it was about an additional way to raise revenue. Somewhere along the line they started to believe their own propganda. Their loss.

[deoxys987]

They are just no approved to sell through FFLs, meaning FFls can't sell them to the public. FFLs can only sell them to LEOs or civilians via Single Shot Exemption. You can get a gen 4 through an LEO or any other person that already has one through Private Party Transfer, or through an FFL that does SSE.


Honestly though, I had the gen 4 and sold it within few month, gen 3 is better, the only thing I liked about gen4 is different back straps and that's it.

let me ask a hypothetical question. lets say i have a LEO friend and he buys a gen 4 and doesnt like it and wants to sell it, would a civilian be able to buy the gen 4 from a LEO from a FFL or private party transfer?

[NorCalK9.com]

California is STUPID!