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  • Ryan Express
    Junior Member
    • May 2024
    • 6

    Vanquished Loyalty

    Until S&W sold to a British outfit in the early-mid-80's, I was a Smith & Wesson loyalist. S&W has yet to replicate handguns it made prior to its sale to a British firm.

    I'm in process of purging every S&W handgun I own except my 40+ year old Model 60. If it has a lock on it, it's going. Installing safeties on DA action revolvers and semiautomatics makes as much sense and installing air brakes on jet planes.

    My Sig "P" series semis do not have safeties.

    Glock does not have external safeties unless you want to consider its trigger safety an external safety.

    I've researched to heck out of the new and improved Python. It is a DA revolver sans safeties and designed to shoot .357 Mag rounds.

    What is sad is some 40 years ago an extremely prominent So Cal gunsmith (I want to say Terry Tussey, but I can't be sure.) told me to buy an S&W Model 27. He said it was the best quality revolver on the market. He told me that the then Python was plagued with firing mechanism problems. I should have bought a Model 27.

    While this might sound harsh, it is my opinion based on my experience with S&W revolvers manufactured after the sale to a British firm. S&W revolvers expensive junk. I would never risk my life to one. I have never relied on any handgun with an external safety to save my life. Furthermore, it's attempts to rationalize a lock on a DA revolver were dandified lies.

    I've called Colt to verify its Python does not have a lock or external safety. It has neither. The Colt rep told me that the new Python (Python 2.0) is a superior version of the original. He assured me that it had been .357 Mag round tortured tested to fire thousands of magnum rounds. He assured me that the Python 2.0 passed the torture test with flying colors. He assured me that the Python 2.0 was stronger than the original. Finally, his opinion was that the DA firing system of the Python 2.0 was superior and more smooth than the original. He sold me. I bought a blued copy. He assured me that Colt will warranty my Python against any/all defects.

    I've always loved Python's exceptional DA/SA trigger. But I could not pull the trigger on one after I was told some 40 years ago about its reliability problems. Now that those problems have been rectified, I had to pull the trigger on one.

    My Python will not be a bipedal self-defense weapon. It will be a wilderness survival handgun when chasing trout in the Rockies. I might buy an Anaconda before CA's 11% handgun purchase tax is implemented. My concern with a .44 Mag out of a fishing-convenient 4" barrel is sight picture retention. I'm not convinced that the meanest griz with designs on my kids could withstand 6 180 grain .357 Mag rounds. But the very soon to be implemented 11% tax could push me in the direction of an Anaconda.

    I am truly saddened by the deterioration of S&W quality control and its submission to politicians who wanted S&W to add an unnecessary external lock to its firearms. DA revolvers do not need external safeties. Neither do DA semis with decockers.

    Of course, the aforementioned is merely my opinion that's shared by millions of other revolver aficionados.

    Had I had been clairvoyant some 40 years ago and bought a Model 27, my post would be moot.

    BTW, about a year ago, I saw an approximate 50+ year-old pristine 4" Model 27 with an asking price of $2500. The salesman told me that it was a steal at $2500. I doubt that a box of ammo was fired out of it at a paper target. It's bluing was artistic. It was the quintessential wilderness survival weapon. I probably should have bought it. But I have no remorse arising from dropping Bengies on a new, blued, 4" Python. It will accompany me on all wilderness trips where probability of crossing paths with a carnivorous beast is statistically significant.
  • #2
    kcheung2
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 4387

    So S&W lost your loyalty in the 80s, and since then you've been purging your S&Ws. Four decades is a pretty long time to purge. Slow motion indeed. And actually, there are air brakes on jet planes...tornado.jpg
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    • #3
      ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 57136

      Originally posted by kcheung2
      So S&W lost your loyalty in the 80s, and since then you've been purging your S&Ws. Four decades is a pretty long time to purge.
      His join date is just 2 days ago yet he's already posting diatribes.
      Go look at his posting history.
      Dude is most likely either a previously banned member or a new bot.
      Actual new members usually don't behave this way as they are usually still trying to figure out how forums work.
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      • #4
        electrod47
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2014
        • 67

        All the change thats gone on since the 80's .......is only sad to those who enjoyed those years to begin with. Today those same companies would already be out of business selling DA revolvers. This generation wants it NOW wants it FAST and wants it CHEAP....ergo 9mm/black/hi-cap/....with a cherry on top...red dot.

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        • #5
          Zenderfall
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 600

          Originally posted by electrod47
          All the change thats gone on since the 80's .......is only sad to those who enjoyed those years to begin with. Today those same companies would already be out of business selling DA revolvers. This generation wants it NOW wants it FAST and wants it CHEAP....ergo 9mm/black/hi-cap/....with a cherry on top...red dot.
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          • #6
            dfletcher
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Dec 2006
            • 14794

            One wonders about an experienced gun owner having to contact Colt to verify the lack of a "safety lock" on the Python. Or that a heavy as heck 4" N frame is ideal for carrying about in the woods.

            BTW, if anyone would like to lay out $2,500.00 for a Model 27 feel free to reach out - One wonders about an experienced gun owner having to contact Colt to verify the lack of a "safety lock" on the Python.

            BTW, if anyone would like to lay out $2,500.00 for a Model 27 feel free to reach out -

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            It's not quite 50 years old, but a 6" nickel with the goodies seems a neat offset. FWIW, I paid $495.00 at the old Contra Costa Collectibles in Walnut Creek back when (the late) Mike Chance ran the place.

            I have no problem with a $2K profit over these many years.
            Last edited by dfletcher; 05-12-2024, 1:31 PM.
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            • #7
              damngato
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Apr 2012
              • 3394

              :-/ I regret spending the time reading the posting but since I did you could very easily pick up a pre-lock 27 for less than you paid for that Colt. I paid ~$1,000 for my last one and they go on GB frequently for less than that. Don't even have to deal with SAE now that they are C&R - LSB had one end yesterday for $1,007.
              Link for feedback -

              https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...4#post28181454

              WTB:
              Off Roster CZs
              Off Roster Sigs
              Off Roster FNs
              Pre-Lock S&Ws

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              • #8
                DrewN
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 1887

                .41 seems to be the cheapest common N Frame caliber, at least here in California. 57/58 seem to average a couple hundred less than comparable 27/29s. Not sure about 28s I never see 'em.

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                • #9
                  damngato
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 3394

                  I've had much better luck finding 27/29 compared to the 41 mags. I would assume they sold less since it's an odd caliber. Even on GB the 41s are selling very well. You can snag a 28 pretty easily under $1000
                  Link for feedback -

                  https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...4#post28181454

                  WTB:
                  Off Roster CZs
                  Off Roster Sigs
                  Off Roster FNs
                  Pre-Lock S&Ws

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                  • #10
                    deadcoyote
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 4002

                    Buying a safe and sane firework is like paying a hooker for a hug. I do not see the appeal in it.

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                    • #11
                      DrewN
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 1887

                      I have a 69, but I pretty much consider it a Special that you could shoot magnum from in a pinch. Those Buffalo Bore Heavy Specials are like 1000 FPS though, so still pretty stout.

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                      • #12
                        acaligunner
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 7767

                        Vida Loca Homes

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                        • #13
                          vf111
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 2649

                          Originally posted by dfletcher
                          One wonders about an experienced gun owner having to contact Colt to verify the lack of a "safety lock" on the Python. Or that a heavy as heck 4" N frame is ideal for carrying about in the woods.

                          BTW, if anyone would like to lay out $2,500.00 for a Model 27 feel free to reach out - One wonders about an experienced gun owner having to contact Colt to verify the lack of a "safety lock" on the Python.

                          BTW, if anyone would like to lay out $2,500.00 for a Model 27 feel free to reach out -

                          IMG_1005.jpg

                          IMG_1006.jpg


                          It's not quite 50 years old, but a 6" nickel with the goodies seems a neat offset. FWIW, I paid $495.00 at the old Contra Costa Collectibles in Walnut Creek back when (the late) Mike Chance ran the place.

                          I have no problem with a $2K profit over these many years.
                          $500 in 1975 is equivalent to $2,955 in 2024 dollars so you're actually losing money.

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                          • #14
                            DrewN
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 1887

                            MR73 is about where I check out, but OG Korth are awesome. Janz is the one I want tho.

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                            • #15
                              splithoof
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2015
                              • 5850

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