XD40 vs. Glock 23 recoil

[lilro]

I'm getting rid of my G23 because the recoil is a little snappy for me and I just can't mesh with the grip angle. I've shot the XD9 and I have my eyes on it, but how does the .40 compare to a glock in terms of recoil? If the XD40 has less recoil than the G23, I'll just get that instead of the XD9 so I can have fun getting rid of my ammo.

[creepyoldgamer]

You will likely feel less recoil with the XD40 compared to the compact G23, but if recoil is a concern for you, the XD9 may be a good choice. Many people feel the 40 is just a snappy round.

[lilro]

You will likely feel less recoil with the XD40 compared to the compact G23, but if recoil is a concern for you, the XD9 may be a good choice. Many people feel the 40 is just a snappy round.

Yeah I love the way the XD9 feels. Didn't have a chance to fire the .40 though. I'll see if I can rent one but I figured I'd ask here first. Didn't want to buy another box of ammo because you have to use the range ammo with rentals.

[Bigtwin]

Rent one. That box of ammo is cheaper than buying a gun you don't like!

FWIW, I have no problems with my XD40 service. I don't get the "snappy" part many folks complain about, unless they are shooting a compact pistol.

[knerona]

I'm looking for G23, shoot me a PM if you would like to sell it =)

[lilro]

Rent one. That box of ammo is cheaper than buying a gun you don't like!

True. I love the XD9 though. And if it's the same plus a touch more recoil it'll be good. I have webbed fingers and to get a good high grip on the glock makes the web between thumb and index sore after 50 rounds.

[Lead Waster]

Yeah ditto, pm me if you want to sell that g23!!

[tacticalcity]

The snappiness is the round, not the gun. 40S&W is a snappy feeling round. It's not going to change by buying another 40S&W gun. Either train through it, or look into a 9mm. Heck you might even want to look at a 45ACP. The 45ACP has more recoil, but it feels totally different. More of a quick punch than a snappy flip...difficult to explain in words. In any case, time to rent some guns at the range. Bring yours with you for a direction comparison. You may decide there is not enough difference to worry about it. "Grass is always greener syndrom" is more than likely the issue.

All that said, I stopped being a 40S&W diehard guy a few years back. I shoot both 9mm and 45ACP, leaning more towards the 9mm. I could have just trained through it, but I had both a 9mm and 40S&W at the time and when it came time to sell things off...the 40S&Ws went first. Why? Too damn snappy.

[lilro]

The snappiness is the round, not the gun. 40S&W is a snappy feeling round. It's not going to change by buying another 40S&W gun. Either train through it, or look into a 9mm. Heck you might even want to look at a 45ACP. The 45ACP has more recoil, but it feels totally different. More of a quick punch than a snappy flip...difficult to explain in words. In any case, time to rent some guns at the range. Bring yours with you for a direction comparison. You may decide there is not enough difference to worry about it. "Grass is always greener syndrom" is more than likely the issue.

All that said, I stopped being a 40S&W diehard guy a few years back. I shoot both 9mm and 45ACP, leaning more towards the 9mm. I could have just trained through it, but I had both a 9mm and 40S&W at the time and when it came time to sell things off...the 40S&Ws went first. Why? Too damn snappy.

I thought the recoil spring was a large factor in felt recoil. I think I'm gonna go with the 9mm though. I fell in love with that XD when I saw the groups I was getting. I'll definitely try .45ACP at some point though, 1911s are sick.

[ramathorn]

Isn't there a 9mm drop in conversion barrel you can snag instead of selling (transfer fee & hassle) and buying a new pistola (DROS fee and lame waiting period)? I think there is one available for my G22.... changing round will reduce recoil and you'll still have the ability to lock and load with a .40 if need be.

[knerona]

They are available, just need the barrel and mags. Though some will say that you need to change a few other parts as well for reliability. I have a lonewolf 9mm barrel for my G22 with a few G17 mags, shoots great but I wouldn't use it them for self defense. Great for plinking with a cheaper round. =)

[tacticalcity]

XD trigger rest is twice as long as the Glocks. You have to release the trigger further before you can fire your follow up shots. More movement of the finger, means more movement of the hand, which means more movement of the gun, etc. With training you overcome it. But that is the main reason I don't like the XD. Not to say I hate them, there are plenty of guns to which I would prefer and XD hands down, I just don't like them as much as I like the Glock. To each their own. They wouldn't make hundreds of thousands of different models of guns if all we all liked the same thing. Just beware of the grass is always greener effect. It gets damn expensive. If you are adding to a collection that's one thing. But you may find yourself selling off a Glock to by the latest thing to catch your fancy, only to sell that off to buy the next thing to catch your fancy, or even to buy another Glock. I admit I have strayed once or twice and fell in lust with something different, even to the point of selling off my Glock. It never lasts long. A few months later a Glock finds its way back to being not only in my stable but my favorite of the bunch. I've rebought pretty much the same gun several times over.

[lilro]

Isn't there a 9mm drop in conversion barrel you can snag instead of selling (transfer fee & hassle) and buying a new pistola (DROS fee and lame waiting period)? I think there is one available for my G22.... changing round will reduce recoil and you'll still have the ability to lock and load with a .40 if need be.

I thought about that for a while but it won't fix the grip angle.

XD trigger rest is twice as long as the Glocks. You have to release the trigger further before you can fire your follow up shots. More movement of the finger, means more movement of the hand, which means more movement of the gun, etc. Main reason I don't like them. Not to say I hate them, there are plenty of guns to which I would prefer and XD hands down, I just don't like them as much as I like the Glock. To each their own. They wouldn't make hundreds of thousands of different models of guns if all we all liked the same thing.

Just beware of the grass is always greener effect. It gets damn expensive.

Yeah I know. I fired the 9mm XD. I shot way tighter groups with it the first time I touched it than the Glock that I've had for 6 months. The grip angle is just more natural for me I guess.

And I don't get too bothered over something being expensive as long as my bills are paid and my fridge is stocked. I have emergency money if needbe but otherwise I spend like it's my last day. Because it just might be. And I'm pretty sure God, Allah, etc. don't accept fiat currency

[tacticalcity]

I thought about that for a while but it won't fix the grip angle.

Been drinking hateraid have we? People who learned on something else have issues with the Grip angle because it is different than what they are used to. But new shooters don't have that muscle memory to overcome. The grip angle is actually ideal. Designed specifically to point exactly like your imaginary gun as a kid (hand with finger pointing out and thumb sticking straight up). So unless you have years of time training on another gun, the grip angle issue is in your head. Something you read online or heard a buddy say. Not trying to be a jerk, but this argument is so tired that it has become a pet peeve. Yes it is different than other guns...but different is not always a bad thing. If you want to complain about something, complain that the gun doesn't have a dovetail to protect from slide bite. Something S&W M&P got right. If not for the trigger reset of issues of the M&P, that gun would have been damn near perfect.

By the way, grip angle is a common complaint of 1911 users that are used to a flat mainspring housing. Which is extremely ironic. Because, the 1911 as designed by John Browning had a curved mainspring housing, making the grip angle as designed almost identical to that of the Glock. They (or the company they bought it from) modified their gun to make it like other guns that do not point as naturally when the gun itself was designed to point like a Glock. That said, the curved backstraps also are not as comfortable for reasons other than their pointability, and they are not as sexy looking. So I get the change...but I also see the irony of a 1911 owner complaining about the Glocks grip angle. They are damn near the same, and would be even closer if built as designed. It something they heard owners of other guns say, and repeat like parrots. Glock got a lot of their design features, no matter how abstract, from John Brownings designs. It's just not apparent to the average gun owner. We see the obvious differences that stand out, and not the subtle design choices that are similar if not the same.

[lilro]

Been drinking hateraid have we? People who learned on something else have issues with the Grip angle because it is different than what they are used to. But new shooters don't have that muscle memory to overcome. The grip angle is actually ideal. Designed specifically to point exactly like your imaginary gun as a kid (hand with finger pointing out and thumb sticking straight up). So unless you have years of time training on another gun, the grip angle issue is in your head. Something you read online or heard a buddy say. Yes it is different than other guns...but different is not always a bad thing.

By the way, this is a common complaint of 1911 users that are used to a flat backstrap. However, the 1911 as designed by John Browning had a curved backstrap, making the grip angle as designed almost identical to that of the Glock. Glock got a lot of their design features, not matter how abstract, from John Brownings designs. It's just not apparent to the average gun owner. We see the obvious differences that stand out, and not the subtle design choices that are similar if not the same.

I've shot the XD. I can point it better. Everybody's hands aren't shaped the same man.