40 s&w vs 9mm recoil and accuracy wise

[appagohm]

So i've been shooting 40s&w exclusively to try ang get the recoil memorized in my muscles. But the other day i took out my 9mm, same gun but just different caliber, and i can shoot so much better with the 9mm. I say about 30 feet i can keep a three group with 30rds of 9mm(one big hole in center)

But with the 40 cal i keep anticipating, and even with the 2k dry fire drills and 5k rounds i shot, i just can't seem to get the same group.

Gun is a sig sauer sp2022, have one in 40cal and 9mm.

I also have an xd sc is 40cal.

The caliber seems like a bomb going off on my hand every time. I don't want to change my load(i load my own rounds) as if i needed it in a self defense situation i would want the same felt recoil as my s.d. rounds.

Now i want to sell off my 40cal guns and go back to either 9mm or 45acp. But with all the practice i have with the 40cal it seems like a waste also. I can still keep a decent group i say about five to eight inches with the 40cal but with the 9mm it's a tighter group with a quicker rate of fire.

What do you guys think? Is this happening with you guys as well?

[musstangr]

I bought my first semi about 6 months ago, a CZ 75 SA in .40, about 6 months ago. I have over 3k rounds through it now and there was quite a learning curve. The pic shows my last time out....I'm getting better, but I still find that when I fire on an empty mag (every once in awhile the gun doesn't lock back on an empty magazine) I'm still pulling down after pulling the trigger.

Now it doesn't seem to be affecting my accuracy much because I don't shoot low anymore, its probably a reflex now to get the gun sighted back on target quickly (?) but I shoot this gun as good or better than my other two CZ nines.

I still don't shoot any of my semi's as well as my revolvers in .357, so I'm not sure if its a sight thing (I like iron sights...still not sure if I like dot sights) or just getting used to the different recoil.

I really like the .40's though and want to pick up another. Not sure how I'll feel later though as I'm waiting on my first .45, a DW CBOB, to clear DROS.

I say stick with it though.

Regards!

Mike

PS the pic is sideways and one of of a 5 dot target
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[fullrearview]

I shot 9mm a lot better as well. Just keep practicing and you will get there. Gotta train through it.

[corcoraj2002]

At 10 yards, a five inch grouping is not that bad, if it is rapid fire. In a SD situation you are not looking for all 10 rounds to go to the bulls eye. 10 rounds (of anything) .40 s&w center mass in a 5 inch group will more than likely render your target dead.

[gumby]

9's are easier to shoot(softer recoil), but after 30yrs of shooting 40's I'm accustomed to them. 9's kick, 45's push, 40's do a combo of both. BTW, my EDC is a .40 2022.

[driftstalker]

My two cents, hope this helps:

I shot a CZ 75B (9mm) and Beretta 92FS (9mm) at an indoor range and I was able to get decent grouping at 15 yards. (I'm a newbie)

On a temp trade shot, I shot a clip/mag out of Beretta 96FS (40 S&W) at an outdoor range and I was able to get the same decent grouping at 35 yards.

Could be the gun? Try a heavier gun?

Heavier guns will eat up the recoil of the 40 S&W.

[testarija@yahoo.com]

I'm the same way. I have the Sig P226 Full Stainless in a 40s&w. This is about 42oz's and most would think the extra weight will help ease the recoil. But no, 40cal just seems to snap harder. And like you, I can group with my
9mm's so much better. Ultimately, I've alway liked the 9mm more which explains 2 9mm pistols, but it's good to have a .40cal for the challenge.

Keep the .40cal and keep working on it. You'll regret selling it. I've stocked up on .40 ammo with hope to get better with my Sig.

[whipkiller]

I have to concentrate more with my 96FS (.40) to get the same results as with my SP-01 (9mm) or 1911 (.45) but I think a lot (not all) of that is due to the ergos & grips just fitting me better, rather than a caliber thing.

The Beretta is really a little too big for my hands, but it's just so damn sexy! 96 Inox, "United We Stand" edition

[teflondog]

For target shooting, I don't see any difference between the two calibers unless you're doing rapid fire drills. But if you're taking your time between shots, then recoil shouldn't affect your groups unless you flinch.

[FX-05 Xiuhcoatl]

You shot better with the 9mm because the felt recoil is less than .40 it's mind trick

[appagohm]

Thank you for all the feed back, i can rapid fire my 40cal better then taking slow and steady shots. So i know it's not the gun, i've been shooting 9mm/45 for a little over 15years. 45 have a hard push, and 9mm has a minor snap, but the 40cal seems like a explosion in the hand. I am not recoil sensitive and shoot my simth and wesson 500 without any problems.

This was my grouping last time i went out with my 40cal sig

These are targets printed on a peice of regular paper






But yet my groups are still alot more tighter with the 9mm. I was thinking about loading my 40cal down to 4.4gr of powder but decided not to due to practice for real life treat situations.

[PandaLuv]

So i've been shooting 40s&w exclusively to try ang get the recoil memorized in my muscles. But the other day i took out my 9mm, same gun but just different caliber, and i can shoot so much better with the 9mm. I say about 30 feet i can keep a three group with 30rds of 9mm(one big hole in center)

But with the 40 cal i keep anticipating, and even with the 2k dry fire drills and 5k rounds i shot, i just can't seem to get the same group.

Gun is a sig sauer sp2022, have one in 40cal and 9mm.

I also have an xd sc is 40cal.

The caliber seems like a bomb going off on my hand every time. I don't want to change my load(i load my own rounds) as if i needed it in a self defense situation i would want the same felt recoil as my s.d. rounds.

Now i want to sell off my 40cal guns and go back to either 9mm or 45acp. But with all the practice i have with the 40cal it seems like a waste also. I can still keep a decent group i say about five to eight inches with the 40cal but with the 9mm it's a tighter group with a quicker rate of fire.

What do you guys think? Is this happening with you guys as well?

a lot of .40 threads lately. I shot only .40 for almost a year. I 100% with you. I'm a lot more accurate with 9mm and .45 and I haven been shooting those calibers for only few months.


Anticipation of recoil would make me more fatigue and flinch without me controlling it, besides it would take me longer to get back on target. 9mm and .45 all the way.

[c3 rolling]

If the .40 feels like an "explosion" I think your loading your round too hot. .40 should only snap a tiny bit more than 9mm. I shoot .40's faster and more accurately than with 9mm.

[orangeusa]

Same here. I was'nt terrible with 96, but am better with 92's.

I sold off my 96 Berettas, mainly to have fewer calibers and lower cost ammo. But if you can shoot .40 well, 9mm is a breeze...

a lot of .40 threads lately. I shot only .40 for almost a year. I 100% with you. I'm a lot more accurate with 9mm and .45 and I haven been shooting those calibers for only few months.

Anticipation of recoil would make me more fatigue and flinch without me controlling it, besides it would take me longer to get back on target. 9mm and .45 all the way.

[appagohm]

my load data is as shown i tested out a few loads but these seem to get the best velocity to powder ratio, also the factory ammo feels identical so i think my loads are spot on. Although i used unique and it doesn't seem to performe as well as bullseye. I would have to load alot heavier grain to get the same velocity, and i can see a brighter muzzle flash with unique rather then very minimal to non with bullseye.

I believe bullseye is number 2 and unique is at 3.

I also have 1k mixed factory ammo that i was testing along with my reloads to try to duplicate velocity and feel.

After 500rds of 40cal i was alot more fatigued.

Just finished a batch of 2k 9mm for three guns.

My current carry gun during work is the sig sp2022 in 40cal loaded with hornady critical defense. 165gr ftx 1175fps muzzle velocity. I was doing the math and the energy this round produces is amazing. crono at 1180fps

I usually shoot my carry gun the most, but after playing arround with the 9mm i'm still in debate whether to scrap the 40cal and go back to 9mm. I'm leaning toward more practice with the 40. Just ordered 1k rounds of berry bullets. Hopfully i can dial this in so i get a good group and feel confident with it.