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  • Nismogismos
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 25

    Need Some Help!!!

    Hey everyone, im new to the forums (not new to firearms). I have lived here in California my whole life but never really took much interest in firearms, about 3 years ago my wife and I moved to Oklahoma and I purchased my first handgun. about 2 years ago we decided to move back, and now I have in my posession a handgun that is not on the California roster. Ive been back around 2 years now and never realized I needed to declare it, so here is my question. What happens now, is it to late to declare it? Do I even NEED to declare it? I just want to do whatever I need to in order to be a law abiding citizen. Also a side note if I were to purchase a firearm here in Cali, would owning that firearm prevent me from buying one here?

    Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!! And the gun I brought with me is a Taurus .22 9 Shot revolver.
  • #2
    tacticalcity
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Aug 2006
    • 10916

    The roster is not a list of guns citizens are allowed to own. It is a list of guns FFL dealers can stock and sell to you as new guns. Private citizens are allowed to own off-roster guns. They are also allowed to sell each other off-roster guns.

    All that said, I am not certain how it would apply to your exact circumstance.

    Absolutely worst case scenerio you would need to get in touch with a dealer that does what is called a Single Shot Conversion or SSE. Once the DROS process is complete (paperwork and waiting period) the kit is take off the gun and it goes back to being semi-auto. The only purpose of the conversion is to take advantage of the loop hole in the law and make it legal for the FFL to do the DROS. You as a citizen are not affected by the roster, just the FFL. So once it is registered in your name, it no longer needs to be single shot.

    Confusing I know. Plus all of that might not be necessary at all. Contact an FFL. If they tell you that you cannot keep the gun or something stupid like that, contact one who does SSE conversions...because the first gun is wrong. You can keep the gun, you just might need to jump through a hoop or two. Nothing money and time can't fix. Just make sure to get this issue fixed. Nothing worse than getting into legal trouble over something totally avoidable.

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    • #3
      Nismogismos
      Junior Member
      • Apr 2012
      • 25

      Ok, im a tad confused. This single shot conversion you were talking about, what exactly is it? I am hoping its not a big deal because its a plinking 22 revolver. I was just unsure if owning it would impare my ability to purchase a different handgun in california, or if I needed to surrender that revolver or not.

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      • #4
        Subotai
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2010
        • 11289

        Actually, I think you can just send in some registration paperwork. Check into, then delete your post.
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        • #5
          Dantedamean
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 2293

          Ya, California's laws are confusing. From my understanding ( do your research, don't take me at 100% correct ) as long as your gun is not banned by name under California law and doesn't have "evil feature" you should be good. (a mag capable of holding no more than 10 rounds, no threaded barrel, no fore grip, ect. )

          edit: oh ya, California dose require all pistols be registered too. so even if its legal you need to submit registration paperwork.

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          • #6
            Librarian
            Admin and Poltergeist
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 44660

            Originally posted by Nismogismos
            Hey everyone, im new to the forums (not new to firearms). I have lived here in California my whole life but never really took much interest in firearms, about 3 years ago my wife and I moved to Oklahoma and I purchased my first handgun. about 2 years ago we decided to move back, and now I have in my posession a handgun that is not on the California roster. Ive been back around 2 years now and never realized I needed to declare it, so here is my question. What happens now, is it to late to declare it? Do I even NEED to declare it? I just want to do whatever I need to in order to be a law abiding citizen. Also a side note if I were to purchase a firearm here in Cali, would owning that firearm prevent me from buying one here?

            Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!! And the gun I brought with me is a Taurus .22 9 Shot revolver.
            No big deal.

            NO, the roster does not matter.

            YES, you should have declared it when you moved here. And you still can and must file that new resident form - http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pd.../ab991frm.pdf? PC 27570 (b) says that if the only way DOJ finds out about it is the filed paperwork, no harm, no foul.
            ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

            Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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            • #7
              Bug Splat
              Calguns Addict
              • Dec 2007
              • 6561

              Originally posted by frankm
              Actually, I think you can just send in some registration paperwork. Check into, then delete your post.
              I believe this is even optional as you are not required by law to reg them with Cali DOJ. Maybe not so optional after all. Best to fill it out I guess.

              Originally posted by Dantedamean
              Ya, California's laws are confusing. From my understanding ( do your research, don't take me at 100% correct ) as long as your gun is not banned by name under California law and doesn't have "evil feature" you should be good. (a mag capable of holding no more than 10 rounds, no threaded barrel, no fore grip, ect. )
              This is my understanding too. The "safety roster" does not apply to guns you already own. If they don't have the evil features they are good to go.
              Last edited by Bug Splat; 04-09-2012, 1:37 PM.

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              • #8
                unusedusername
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 4124

                This seems pretty simple. Looks like you forgot to fill this form out:

                Pursuant to Penal Code sections 17000 and 27560, any person who moves into California with a firearm is considered a "Personal Firearm Importer" and is required by California law to do one of the following within 60 days: Complete and submit a New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership (BOF 4010A), pdf along with $19.00 to the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Firearms; Sell or transfer the firearm to a California licensed firearms dealer or to another individual using a California licensed firearms dealer to conduct the transaction; or Sell or transfer the firearm to a California


                New Resident Handgun Ownership Report (revised January 2012), pdf

                Fill it out, and mail it in. They could put a penalty (finger-waving) on you for not filling it out within the time-frame it says on the form, but it is very unlikely.

                There is no limitation on owning a gun that would prevent you from owning another gun in CA.

                A single-shot conversion is something else that really has nothing to do with moving to California with existing firearms that you purchased as a resident of another state. It has to do with a resident of California buying a off-list gun while they are a resident of California.

                This is not legal advise. I am not a lawyer.

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                • #9
                  tacticalcity
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 10916

                  Cool, even less complicated than I thought. I assumed it would be. But any time the roster comes up, mind rushes straight to single shot exemption.

                  People always assume the roster means they can only legally own the guns on the roster. That is not the case at all. The roster only applies to what the dealer is allowed to sell you without jumping through the hoops of doing a single shot exemption conversion. It is essentially meaningless. Just a way to extort money from the gun manufacturers and give the illusion of providing public safety services.

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                  • #10
                    Nismogismos
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 25

                    So all I need to do is send in that doj new resident form! I am getting on that today!
                    Also as a side note I was curious about something...how long does it take for doj to get back to my local gun shop as to whether I'm clear for purchase or not? I always wondered that

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                    • #11
                      Dantedamean
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 2293

                      Originally posted by Nismogismos
                      So all I need to do is send in that doj new resident form! I am getting on that today!
                      Also as a side note I was curious about something...how long does it take for doj to get back to my local gun shop as to whether I'm clear for purchase or not? I always wondered that
                      If your talking about during the 10 day waiting period. Ive been told no news it good news... Apparently if your all good the DOJ doesn't even bother responding.

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