SA Trophy Match or TRP?

[Bobby Hated]

so i went to pick up my new TRP from jail and they had a brand new Trophy Match (TM hereafter) in the case so i says to myself: damn bobby you need to jump on that. long story short, i'm now waiting another 10 days.

i'm using the gun for USPSA/IPSC single stack and L10 and IDPA CDP. the TM had a few advantages over the TRP from my perspective.

- Some MIM parts on the TRP were what looked like bar cut SS parts on the TM, like the ambi-safety and the slide stop

- The slide top is flattened and serrated at 40lpi

- And it has a cutout on the top rear of the slide to make room for the odd SA adjustable rear target sight. the Dawsons im gonna put on wont need the cutout, but hey, any weight off the slide is a + in my book.

- it had a polished SS finish, which is much more shiny and looks better than the brushed SS on the TRP.

they were the same price, so im not quite sure where the extra cost of the slide cuts and serration and the substitution of SS parts for MIM parts goes to, but hey im not asking any questions.

NOW HERE'S WHAT WORRIES ME: the TRP actually had a tighter fit than the TM. the TM had a little lateral play on the slide, and the TRP had no play whatsoever. i'm quite sure this was just a individual issue with that gun, so i'm for sure going to send it to SA and tell them to refit the slide to frame properly.

am i correct in assuming that they will stand by their product and fix the fit or are they gonna tell me to go kick rocks?

[Sonic_mike]

Not sure it it's true but I remember reading the the US assembled 1911's are tighter fit. I have a NM loaded and I have no rattle.

[9mmepiphany]

- Some MIM parts on the TRP were what looked like bar cut SS parts on the TM, like the ambi-safety and the slide stop
I'd very much doubt that these parts on the TM are materially different from that on the TRP

- The slide top is flattened and serrated at 40lpi
Other than the appearance, I don't see the advantage of this either. In USPSA, you shouldn't be shooting to slide lock and most folks in IDPA use the overhand grip to retract the slide. (if you watch Top Shot, you'll see that folks using the slide stop to release the slide when reloading are slower)

- And it has a cutout on the top rear of the slide to make room for the odd SA adjustable rear target sight. the Dawsons im gonna put on wont need the cutout, but hey, any weight off the slide is a + in my book.
If you aren't using the Adjustable rear sight on the TM, you're giving up the main reson for the TM's existence.

- it had a polished SS finish, which is much more shiny and looks better than the brushed SS on the TRP.
Another appearance preference, most serious users prefer the matte finish to avoid glare

[Sac-AR15]

Just get both!

[Press Check]

so i went to pick up my new TRP from jail and they had a brand new Trophy Match (TM hereafter) in the case so i says to myself: damn bobby you need to jump on that. long story short, i'm now waiting another 10 days.

i'm using the gun for USPSA/IPSC single stack and L10 and IDPA CDP. the TM had a few advantages over the TRP from my perspective.

- Some MIM parts on the TRP were what looked like bar cut SS parts on the TM, like the ambi-safety and the slide stop

- The slide top is flattened and serrated at 40lpi

- And it has a cutout on the top rear of the slide to make room for the odd SA adjustable rear target sight. the Dawsons im gonna put on wont need the cutout, but hey, any weight off the slide is a + in my book.

- it had a polished SS finish, which is much more shiny and looks better than the brushed SS on the TRP.

they were the same price, so im not quite sure where the extra cost of the slide cuts and serration and the substitution of SS parts for MIM parts goes to, but hey im not asking any questions.

NOW HERE'S WHAT WORRIES ME: the TRP actually had a tighter fit than the TM. the TM had a little lateral play on the slide, and the TRP had no play whatsoever. i'm quite sure this was just a individual issue with that gun, so i'm for sure going to send it to SA and tell them to refit the slide to frame properly.

am i correct in assuming that they will stand by their product and fix the fit or are they gonna tell me to go kick rocks?

OP, they're both essentially the same pistol with the same amount of hand fitment from Springfield, but obviously set-up quite a bit differently. The Trophy Match is for target and competetive shooting, and the TRP is just that, a Tactical Response Pistol.

As far as the warranty claim, that will completely depend on what Springfield's parameters are for fitment on production pistols, although more than likely, they will simply address and resolve any concerns you have.

[9mmepiphany]

NOW HERE'S WHAT WORRIES ME: the TRP actually had a tighter fit than the TM. the TM had a little lateral play on the slide, and the TRP had no play whatsoever. i'm quite sure this was just a individual issue with that gun, so i'm for sure going to send it to SA and tell them to refit the slide to frame properly.

am i correct in assuming that they will stand by their product and fix the fit or are they gonna tell me to go kick rocks?

Sounds like a well fitted TRP and a normally fitted TM. I wouldn't expect that level (TRP) of fit from a 1911 not coming out of the Custom Shop...you just got lucky with the TRP.

I don't think they'll tell you to kick rock, but they might tell you that the fit on your TM is within normal tolerances

[Bobby Hated]

- Some MIM parts on the TRP were what looked like bar cut SS parts on the TM, like the ambi-safety and the slide stop
I'd very much doubt that these parts on the TM are materially different from that on the TRP
Must be that theyre just polished then

- The slide top is flattened and serrated at 40lpi
Other than the appearance, I don't see the advantage of this either. In USPSA, you shouldn't be shooting to slide lock and most folks in IDPA use the overhand grip to retract the slide. (if you watch Top Shot, you'll see that folks using the slide stop to release the slide when reloading are slower)
I fail to see the connection between top serration and shooting to slide lock? and im sorry to tell you but all the IPSC world champs, grandmasters, masters and A class shooters i shoot with every week use the slide stop to release the slide on a 1911/2011. they must all have it wrong, and you have it right. actually no, youre wrong. while over the top palm and 4 finger is correct technique with a glock, it is not correct with a 1911/2011. and no i wouldnt use Top Shot as a guide for how to shoot.

- And it has a cutout on the top rear of the slide to make room for the odd SA adjustable rear target sight. the Dawsons im gonna put on wont need the cutout, but hey, any weight off the slide is a + in my book.
If you aren't using the Adjustable rear sight on the TM, you're giving up the main reson for the TM's existence.
I hope the crappy adjustable sight SA has on it is not the reason for its existence. uh yeah, the dawson sights i have is adjustable and FO

- it had a polished SS finish, which is much more shiny and looks better than the brushed SS on the TRP.
Another appearance preference, most serious users prefer the matte finish to avoid glare

thats funny cause i know a couple IPSC world champs, a couple grandmasters and a bunch of master and A class shooters who all have their 2011's polished nice and shiny. they must not be that serious compared to you. ha ha

i think i came on the wrong board to ask my question. i'll ask again on brian enos.

[Bobby Hated]

Sounds like a well fitted TRP and a normally fitted TM. I wouldn't expect that level (TRP) of fit from a 1911 not coming out of the Custom Shop...you just got lucky with the TRP.

I don't think they'll tell you to kick rock, but they might tell you that the fit on your TM is within normal tolerances

i hope youre gona be wrong about this too. but i guess theres only one way to find out. i'll post the results when i get them.

best

[9mmepiphany]

I fail to see the connection between top serration and shooting to slide lock?

Sorry, I mis-read it as slide stop. I do like serrations on the top of my slide too

[heidad01]

get both

I have a TPR (love the finish on it) and was thinking of getting a TM for target practice untill I got lucky and bought a beutifully customized SA with adjustable rear and fiber front sight from a fellow calgunner recently. I do not need the TM now but would have got it. The new to me custom SA has same profile as the TM, but it is one of the most beutiful 1911s I have ever seen. I feel truly lucky to come accors this one.
p.s
SA' service and customer care is second to none in my opinion. They are the nicest and most pleasant to deal with and will go out of their way to fix anything that is wrong.

[Bobby Hated]

p.s
SA' service and customer care is second to none in my opinion. They are the nicest and most pleasant to deal with and will go out of their way to fix anything that is wrong.

this is what im hoping for. i want to buy a SA micro compact 45 too, but im gonna wait to see how they treat me with the TM.

[c3 rolling]

SA wont tighten the frame. They will say its normal and it is. My TRP is tighter than my old Trophy Match and has a better trigger out of the box. I think SA just takes more time when building TRP's because many of them are used by LEO's.

[heidad01]

TRP is a much more expensive gun and has a lot better fit and finish. The TM is just a run of the mill full size SA 1911 with adjustable rear sight. TRP is tha same as or is what was spec'ed for FBI. I am sure the build process for a TRP has a lot more attention to detail and hand fitting on the assembely line. Again, get both. you can not have too many 1911s.

Also and in all honesty, any competant machinist in a machine shop can squeez the slide to be a few 1/1000" tighter. It really is not that big of a deal or a fix. if the frame and the slide were blue printed and made exactly to spec, there is also no need for the perverbial break in after xxx number of rounds. the fit is perfect from the getgo.

[jeffrice6]

If you want a hand fit slide to frame and bar stock slide releases and ambi safeties, sell both your SAs and buy a Wilson with the Bulletproof package upgrade.

Or you could just get yourself a Baer!

[DArBad]

SA isn't going to do anything about the slide to frame fit unless you pay them.

+1 to this! SA will say it is " within spec " and will also charge you for shipping.