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  • #16
    Oceanbob
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2010
    • 12720

    In modern guns there is no accidental discharges. There are only negligent discharges.

    In a GLOCK it is impossible for a round to go off without the trigger bar being depressed.

    Moving back in time to a Colt Series 70 1911. It is possible to discharge a chambered round if that weapon is dropped from a high enough height. That sort of thing has happened. However, I still consider it a negligent discharge because the operator 1. Had a round chambered 2. Dropped the weapon. 3. had the thumb safety off

    3 mistakes and you're out.

    take care
    Bob
    May the Bridges I burn light the way.

    Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.

    Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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    • #17
      bob7122
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2010
      • 5090

      loose trigger- wild guess...

      super sensitive and super light trigger- probably less than 1/2lb? the wind might fire it????-wild guess as well
      Originally posted by 2761377
      man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
      it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
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      • #18
        BDH
        Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 257

        Leave your finger on the trigger and try to holster it...
        Bruce
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        • #19
          The Gleam
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2011
          • 13078

          Originally posted by negolien
          .....you should already know if there's a round in the chamber or you shouldn't own a firearm.
          It has become common practice for me, for more than 25 years, to ALWAYS check the chamber and the drop the mag to check, or open the cylinder, EVERY time someone hands me a firearm, AND before I hand anyone else a gun, even if I have had it in my hands for only a few minutes.

          If someone is putzing arouns with a gun in my vicinity, and I don't know it loaded or not, I ask to see their "cool" gun - merely so I can check.

          If at the range, and the gun leaves my hand for any duration of time, I also check, even if just on the table in front of me.

          Why? 6 SIGS on a table. Did I grab the right one? Improbable? But maybe. Now I do it even if there is only my 1 on the table. Did someone come by and fiddle with my gun? Impropable. But maybe.

          It sometimes drives novice salesmen at guns stores nuts, but I don't care. I then proceed to advise them why they should ESPECIALLY of all people do it too. They usually then start the practice as well.

          I am sure everyone here has heard the story; last year, a couple of guys in CA (admittedly drinking) looking at an AR based rifle in the one friend's garage. One accidentally shoots the other not realizing his weapon is chambering a round.

          Terrible. Always check to the point of annoying. I would rather be annoyed, or annoy someone else, than dead.
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          Originally posted by Librarian
          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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          • #20
            DDRH
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Mar 2008
            • 2756

            Originally posted by The Gleam
            It has become common practice for me, for more than 25 years, to ALWAYS check the chamber and the drop the mag to check, or open the cylinder, EVERY time someone hands me a firearm, AND before I hand anyone else a gun, even if I have had it in my hands for only a few minutes.

            If someone is putzing arouns with a gun in my vicinity, and I don't know it loaded or not, I ask to see their "cool" gun - merely so I can check.

            If at the range, and the gun leaves my hand for any duration of time, I also check, even if just on the table in front of me.

            Why? 6 SIGS on a table. Did I grab the right one? Improbable? But maybe. Now I do it even if there is only my 1 on the table. Did someone come by and fiddle with my gun? Impropable. But maybe.

            It sometimes drives novice salesmen at guns stores nuts, but I don't care. I then proceed to advise them why they should ESPECIALLY of all people do it too. They usually then start the practice as well.

            I am sure everyone here has heard the story; last year, a couple of guys in CA (admittedly drinking) looking at an AR based rifle in the one friend's garage. One accidentally shoots the other not realizing his weapon is chambering a round.

            Terrible. Always check to the point of annoying. I would rather be annoyed, or annoy someone else, than dead.
            +1 ALWAYS CHECK!

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            • #21
              Lead Waster
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Sep 2010
              • 16650

              Checking is good! It keeps those .45 cap hollowpoints out of you femur!

              The guy that op is asking about was probably very vigorous about letting the slide go forward and darned the instructor. Well who knows what it was.
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              • #22
                SouperMan
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1463

                Highly unlikely. No way unless the firing pin safety block is missing and the drop safety is super worn or otherwise disabled. The firing pin block blocks the firing pin channel, preventing the firing pin from striking the primer unless the trigger is depressed. Actuating the slide back would still cause the firing pin to be caught on the drop safety (shelf/ramp like implement) which prevents the hammer from fully moving forward.

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                • #23
                  OldShooter32
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 2065

                  Originally posted by Vampyredark
                  Yeah, I think I might ask him next time. What does AD mean please?
                  Accidental discharge...sorry...still talk in code at times, 10-4?
                  "If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals."

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                  • #24
                    rudigan
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 2061

                    [QUOTE=negolien;8183126]
                    Originally posted by Lead Waster
                    Ah, yeah, OP. maybe he was doing a "brass check" like you said. With a round chambered, he just pulled the slide back a bit and then let it go forward. QUOTE]

                    That's the most retarded thing I see besides firing with a boresighter in everyone thinks they're Neil McCauley or Lt. Vincent Hanna lol....you should already know if there's a round in the chamber or you shouldn't own a firearm.
                    Silly statement.
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                    • #25
                      JTROKS
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 13093

                      What probably happened was the qualifying shooter was clearing his Glock by tilting the pistol 45 to 80 degrees to the left then pulling on the slide quickly launching the loaded round up into the air then catching it with the hand he used to rack the slide. It was famous with action shooters back in the days until a few folks with untuned extractors but has extented ejectors started having clearing kabooms. The clubs then advice against that type of clearing process and askedbfor shooters to rack the slide slowly. The Glock does have a very pointy ejector.

                      Do a YouTube search on Jet Dionisio shooting IPSC matches and you'll see an example of how the loaded round in the chamber is ejected straight into the air. Sorry can't do the link w/ this iPad.

                      BTW, I can't explain how a properly functioning Glock will cause a round in the chamber to go off without pulling on the trigger.
                      Last edited by JTROKS; 03-09-2012, 8:55 AM.
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                      In the eye of the storm
                      Seek the roses along the way
                      Just beware of the thorns...
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                      • #26
                        Black Majik
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 9695

                        Originally posted by negolien
                        Originally posted by Lead Waster
                        Ah, yeah, OP. maybe he was doing a "brass check" like you said. With a round chambered, he just pulled the slide back a bit and then let it go forward.
                        That's the most retarded thing I see besides firing with a boresighter in everyone thinks they're Neil McCauley or Lt. Vincent Hanna lol....you should already know if there's a round in the chamber or you shouldn't own a firearm.
                        Not sure I would go that extreme. I brass check frequently, even while shooting recreationally at the range. Chamber checks done safely are just a normal part of shooting and gun ownership.

                        Likewise always checking to ensure the gun is empty when you want it to be empty, you check the status of your gun also if you want it to be chambered, hot, and ready to go.

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                        • #27
                          Cummins_Powered
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 548

                          [QUOTE=rudigan;8185889]
                          Originally posted by negolien

                          Silly statement.


                          How about you always ASSUME there a round in the chamber...
                          Now we know!

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                          • #28
                            JTROKS
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 13093

                            [QUOTE=Cummins_Powered;8186376]
                            Originally posted by rudigan



                            How about you always ASSUME there a round in the chamber...
                            When I carry a gun for defensive purposes I chamber a round. If I have to relinquish it when entering a safe site and no matter if an armorer takes it or if I just store it in an assigned gun locker I will press check it before holstering.
                            The wise man said just find your place
                            In the eye of the storm
                            Seek the roses along the way
                            Just beware of the thorns...
                            K. Meine

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                            • #29
                              Lead Waster
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 16650

                              [QUOTE=Cummins_Powered;8186376]
                              Originally posted by rudigan



                              How about you always ASSUME there a round in the chamber...

                              Well, this is a "depends" thing. There are two reasons you check the chamber.

                              1) You want to make sure the chamber is EMPTY. In this case, yes, assume it's loaded and do the routine (eject magazine, rack slide open to eject any loaded cartridge, let slide move forward, open slide again to visually check that it's empty. You can rack the side a few times to be paranoid about it. If you are at the range, point the gun down range and pull the trigger to MAKE SURE the gun is now unloaded. (like for IPSC/USPSA before holstering)

                              2) You are a cop about to bust down a door in a raid, you want to MAKE SURE there is a round chambered. Here it might be your Life at stake if you just ASSUME that the chamber is loaded. You would be smart to pull the slide back a little and see that brass in there before you go into a possible gunfight.

                              So, you are checking to make sure it's empty, or you are checking to make sure it's NOT. Don't let the "Loaded Chamber Indicator" make you lazy.
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                              Remember to dial 1 before 911.

                              Forget about stopping power. If you can't hit it, you can't stop it.

                              There. Are. Four. Lights!

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                              • #30
                                LikeAllGuns
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 652

                                I always check even the pistols that have chamber indicators...

                                I don't think instructer got on him for checking if round was chambered...

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