Can I buy a Kel-tec P3AT through private party transfer?

[AidanN20]

Alright...im reading the CA DOJ website and see this

"Effective January 1, 2001, no handgun may be manufactured within California, imported into California for sale, lent, given, kept for sale, or offered/exposed for sale unless that handgun model has passed firing, safety, and drop tests and is certified for sale in California by the Department of Justice. Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement."


Ok...I hope im understanding this right. Is this basically only applying to brand new handguns since private-party transfers are exempt???

So if someone is selling their used Kel-tec P3AT on gunbroker and I do a private party transfer from them to me, then I can purchase it??? So can I purchase out of state from private parties?

Here is a website that states the same thing I think

http://www.claytoncramer.com/CaliforniaLegalHandguns.PDF

That a FFL can do the transfer for me for a non-list handgun, but they can't sell the exact same one themselves (thats seems rediculous, but at least there is a way to buy it)

[Guinness]

I looked into this not to long ago for the very same model and was told no unless your a LEO...

[donger]

A PTP purchase has to take place: Person-to-Person.

So yes you purchase the gun but only if it's done by a registered owner of the P3AT and transferred to you at an FFL while both are present. And no it can't be transferred from out of state and sold to you.

In Cali expect to pay a hefty premium. Probably $400 to $600. Sorry.

[Guinness]

I should have added, for out of State...

[AidanN20]

Where does it say in the DOJ wording that the private-party transfer has to be in from within the state?

It just says the transfer can be done by an FFL from one private party to another. I see nothing about different state private party being a problem. Is there any other documentation stating otherwise?

http://www.topglock.com/catransfer.htm

[s281c]

Where does it say in the DOJ wording that the private-party transfer has to be in from within the state?

It just says the transfer can be done by an FFL from one private party to another. I see nothing about different state private party being a problem. Is there any other documentation stating otherwise?

http://www.topglock.com/catransfer.htm

CA DOJ only covers in state transfers, when you cross state lines, then you have to also look at federal laws on transfer of firearms.

[DrjonesUSA]

A PTP purchase has to take place: Person-to-Person.

So yes you purchase the gun but only if it's done by a registered owner of the P3AT and transferred to you at an FFL while both are present. And no it can't be transferred from out of state and sold to you.

That is my understanding of the law.

Any gun that is currently in the state can be sold via Private Party Transfer, whether or not it is currently legal for import, EXCEPT for "assault weapons".

So, yes, if you find someone who has a Kel-Tec (or whatever other gun) that is IN CA and willing to sell, go for it.

[saki302]

You can buy it from someone who legaly owns it ALREADY in CA. That would be either a Police officer, or someone who moved here and brought it with them.

I got one, and reg'ed it in my name, from an officer. The main difference is the P3AT is .380, and the Seecamp (have one of those too) is a .32. Seecamp is planning to release a CA edition of their .380 sometime, but expect a price tag somewhere around $800. It is a fine little gun, but you will pay for it.

-Dave

[socalsteve]

Yesterday I asked this same question to the guy I use when buying via gunbroker.

He said if you buy from a private party out of state and it is NOT on the states list he cannot tranfer it. He can keep it in his inventory or send it back but it cannot be transferred.

I specifically, asked what if I find an older Smith & Wesson say a model number they no longer make and it is not on that list - he said private party or not it cannot be transferred to California.

His example was if you find a nice Colt Python out of state you cannot transfer it to Cal. cause its not on the list and it won't get on because no saftey & other Cal. requirements!

Damn !

[AidanN20]

Ok heres a question. If I have an LE friend, can he just buy the handguns I want from out of state (he wont need an dept letter will he?) and then transfer them to me and it will all be legit and legal?

[DrjonesUSA]

Yesterday I asked this same question to the guy I use when buying via gunbroker.

He said if you buy from a private party out of state and it is NOT on the states list he cannot tranfer it. He can keep it in his inventory or send it back but it cannot be transferred.

I specifically, asked what if I find an older Smith & Wesson say a model number they no longer make and it is not on that list - he said private party or not it cannot be transferred to California.

His example was if you find a nice Colt Python out of state you cannot transfer it to Cal. cause its not on the list and it won't get on because no saftey & other Cal. requirements!

Damn !

Right.

The gun has to be IN THE STATE OF CA in order to qualify for PPT.

[DrjonesUSA]

Ok heres a question. If I have an LE friend, can he just buy the handguns I want from out of state (he wont need an dept letter will he?) and then transfer them to me and it will all be legit and legal?

Technically it is legal, but if you do it too much you'll probably get busted.

I probably wouldn't do it as it is not legal for him to import the gun with the intention of reselling it, because that skirts the "CA Safe Handgun" BS laws.

[marklbucla]

Is there the same interest in a P-11?

[461]

SoCal Steve- just for info sake, Python is a DOJ listed weapon.

[s281c]

SoCal Steve- just for info sake, Python is a DOJ listed weapon.

Only the 6" Stainless is, all the others are not..................