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  • HealthyGunz
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 88

    Grain Question

    Why is my .357 magnum defensive JHP ammo only 125grain when my 9mm JHP is 147grain but the .357 is still stronger? I couldnt find any defensive JHP .357 with more than 125grain. Why is this? Thanks.
  • #2
    cntrolsguy
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 1397

    The grain refers to the weight of the bullet but the .357 cartridge carries more gun powder.

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    • #3
      hyperion.excal
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 1334

      heavier grain = bigger bullet but less powder

      lighter grain = lighter bullet but more powder

      357 magnum projectile is lighter but the casing is filled up with alot of gunpowder

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      • #4
        MA2
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 1129

        Yes, what they said about grain.

        I think what you like to look at is:
        Velocity in fps
        and
        Energy in ft. lbs

        Look on midway, most will show their advertised fps and ft. lbs.
        If they don't, more than likely, its loaded to the most minimum SAAMI specs.

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        • #5
          gono
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 381

          Almost all major manuf make 150 and 158gr 357 mag. The amount of energy is a function of bullet mass and velocity, just cause a bullet is heavier doesnt mean it has more kinetic energy. Basic physics gives (1/2)mv^2.

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          • #6
            guitargeak99
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 213

            The .357 mag JHP round in 125gr or 158gr is a very wicked round

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            • #7
              Fishslayer
              In Memoriam
              • Jan 2010
              • 13035

              Originally posted by HealthyGunz
              Why is my .357 magnum defensive JHP ammo only 125grain when my 9mm JHP is 147grain but the .357 is still stronger? I couldnt find any defensive JHP .357 with more than 125grain. Why is this? Thanks.
              Not looking in the right places. 125gr .357 is popular but 158gr is available. There's more to the equation than raw energy numbers. The 125gr at higher velocity will yield bigger energy numbers but the 158gr will penetrate farther.

              Personally, I wouldn't want to be hit with either.
              "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.
              You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
              You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."


              Originally Posted by JackRydden224
              I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
              Originally posted by redcliff
              A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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              • #8
                cntrolsguy
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2005
                • 1397

                Originally posted by Fishslayer

                Personally, I wouldn't want to be hit with either.

                What he said!!!!!

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                • #9
                  NapaCountyShooter
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 2417

                  Generally, heavier bullets penetrate more. With the speed that the .357 generates, a heavier bullet will tend to run into overpenetration in a self defense situation. The lighter 125 gr. bullet will tend to transfer more energy into a human size target.
                  Jonah

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                  • #10
                    five.five-six
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2006
                    • 34852

                    Originally posted by Fishslayer
                    The 125gr at higher velocity will yield bigger energy numbers but the 158gr will penetrate farther.

                    the 125 yields more energy because you can put more propellant behind a 125 than you can behind a 158 which accelerates slower and produces more case pressure than a faster accelerating 125 with the same charge

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                    • #11
                      watsonville
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 568

                      Frangible for me or jhp also 135gr

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                      • #12
                        theduece
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 768

                        Originally posted by hyperion.excal
                        heavier grain = bigger bullet but less powder

                        lighter grain = lighter bullet but more powder

                        357 magnum projectile is lighter but the casing is filled up with alot of gunpowder
                        This isn't exactly true. A grain is a measurement of weight. 7000 grains to a lb. The grain you see advertised on the packaging refers to the weight of the projectile. The powder charge is also measured in grains, it however is not typically listed on the packaging.

                        You could have a heavy bullet in say +p 147 grn 9mm versus a very light .357magnum 125grain "cowboy load". If that were the case I beleive the 9mm would have more powder, velocity, energy.

                        This example is not typical but can happen. There is more to bullets than the grain listed on the packaging.
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