ALS goodness!

[Sturnovik]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

OP - Glad you took the advice on the ALS. P.S. The one for the SP2022 is very nice!

I am still out of a job due to the third time being laid off in a year and half :/, but just got some funds and a upcoming tax return for a 9mm sig pro :P. Where did you find the ALS version for it?

[Suvorov]

I am still out of a job due to the third time being laid off in a year and half :/, but just got some funds and a upcoming tax return for a 9mm sig pro :P. Where did you find the ALS version for it?

Amazon has them for under $50.

http://www.amazon.com/Safariland-3-5-Inch-Barrel-Concealment-Holster/dp/B003YCWH1Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

Why ANYONE would buy a SERPA if an ALS is available for their pistol is beyond me (at this point why anyone would buy a SERPA is beyond me). Anyhow, I have purchased 6378 holsters for all my "shooting" guns and for a range/field/concealment/pancake holster, they are the best I have ever used.

[johnclark]

Amazon has them for under $50.

http://www.amazon.com/Safariland-3-5-Inch-Barrel-Concealment-Holster/dp/B003YCWH1Q/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

See on amazon today, it is $41.67

[Sturnovik]

Yea I got mine for 25, practically new and 40 something for a brand new one, which is even cheaper than the SERPA at my local store! I urge all you guys to look into the ALS if you havent already.

[voiceofreason]

I'm not getting rid of the SERPA's, the GF can always use them and if my ALS breaks I got a spare.

Do you not like your GF, or do you think she'd look better with a hole in her leg?

PLEASE don't set her up failure by lending her the Serpa!

[Sturnovik]

Do you not like your GF, or do you think she'd look better with a hole in her leg?

PLEASE don't set her up failure by lending her the Serpa!

You need to learn gun safety, my gf knows how to keep her finger off the trigger. The SERPA is perfectly safe, I just wanted a more robust and better feeling unit. I love this ALS unit, but quite frankly theres nothing wrong with using a SERPA occasionally. Dont imply that stuff budd.

[Suvorov]

You need to learn gun safety, my gf knows how to keep her finger off the trigger. The SERPA is perfectly safe, I just wanted a more robust and better feeling unit. I love this ALS unit, but quite frankly theres nothing wrong with using a SERPA occasionally. Dont imply that stuff budd.

I wouldn't let my wife or kid use a SERPA. I'm sure your GF has training and knows when to put her finger on the trigger, but the fact is that some pretty experienced and well trained people have had accidents with the SERPA. Everyone is prone to making a mistake, the problem with the SERPA is that when you make that mistake, your pistol is pointed at your leg.

[voiceofreason]

You need to learn gun safety, my gf knows how to keep her finger off the trigger. The SERPA is perfectly safe, I just wanted a more robust and better feeling unit. I love this ALS unit, but quite frankly theres nothing wrong with using a SERPA occasionally. Dont imply that stuff budd.

Not looking to start a flame war. I have an opinion just like you do. Your GF, your holster, your choice.

I've only done one day with a SERPA many years ago. I didn't have an ND, and I didn't shoot myself in the leg or buttocks. I found the mechanism counter-intuitive, but made it through 7 hours without sending a round into my pants. About 2 years after that, a few firearms trainers began to ban SERPAs from their ranges/courses.

I called my friend who owned the SERPA and asked him about that. He told me about the reasons why and like a lightbulb went off in my head, I agreed. He went back to leather.

My post was simply me just sharing an ATTEMPT at making things safer for your GF that I've never met.

I do not feel the SERPA is anywhere near "perfectly safe" and would recommend against its usage to friends and acquaintances for reasons of safety.

If you feel it's "perfectly safe" for her (obviously for you), then go with it.

**edit**
In early January 2012, National Training and Emergency Operations Branch/FLETC suspended all use of SERPA holsters.


p.s.- You're right. I should learn gun safety.
The ability to subconsciously AND consciously keep my finger off the trigger IS more important than depending on equipment to help me do so.

[Sturnovik]

Not looking to start a flame war. I have an opinion just like you do. Your GF, your holster, your choice.

I've only done one day with a SERPA many years ago. I didn't have an ND, and I didn't shoot myself in the leg or buttocks. I found the mechanism counter-intuitive, but made it through 7 hours without sending a round into my pants. About 2 years after that, a few firearms trainers began to ban SERPAs from their ranges/courses.

I called my friend who owned the SERPA and asked him about that. He told me about the reasons why and like a lightbulb went off in my head, I agreed. He went back to leather.

My post was simply me just sharing an ATTEMPT at making things safer for your GF that I've never met.

I do not feel the SERPA is anywhere near "perfectly safe" and would recommend against its usage to friends and acquaintances for reasons of safety.

If you feel it's "perfectly safe" for her (obviously for you), then go with it.


p.s.- You're right. I should learn gun safety.
The ability to subconsciously AND consciously keep my finger off the trigger IS more important than depending on equipment to help me do so.

If the holster isnt used how they say in the product literature, then yes its an accident waiting to happen, but from day one I was using it correctly and so was she. At times she has more safety than most guys on the firing line, shes the first girl I've dated that I dont have to keep saying "keep your finger off the trigger and keep it pointed down range" (which is great).

That said I was under the impression you meant I frankly didnt give a damn about her safety (of course I do), I reacted as such, sorry about that.

In any case, I dont have a problem with SERPA, I just found a more comfortable, cheaper and american made alternative (I read somewhere the models I have arent made here, who knows). Just picked up a ALS with a coupon I had through opticsplanet so she is set to go, she just has to get used to the new button system. I'm wishing they had one for the Sig Pro with mounted light.

[Cyphre]

It's kind of like those guys who hate polymer-framed handguns, because some handloading newbie had one blow up in his hand at some point. Suddenly all Glocks and anything polymer are possible fragmentation devices, reliability be damned.

In the same way, Fobus turned people off to 'kydex' holsters, so it became the old-fashioned, reliable leather versus the plastic Scrotus, grouped together with anything else that wasn't leather. The Serpa was at least an innovative idea, and has been out for quite some time without some massive number of failures. Just concerns by people who suppose this or that could happen based on second-hand information (yeah sure, I bet everyone knows someone who had this or that problem).

The only other complaint has been dirt/gravel behind the latch, causing the gun to be locked in place, something that only suddenly arose when it was first being considered for USMC deployment!

[Suvorov]

The Serpa was at least an innovative idea, and has been out for quite some time without some massive number of failures. Just concerns by people who suppose this or that could happen based on second-hand information (yeah sure, I bet everyone knows someone who had this or that problem).

The only other complaint has been dirt/gravel behind the latch, causing the gun to be locked in place, something that only suddenly arose when it was first being considered for USMC deployment!

I'll grant you that the SERPA was innovative however the two issues with the holster are not supposed, they are documented. It also bears simple reasoning that asking your trigger finger to do multiple functions to draw and fire a handgun in a high stress situation allows for more possibility of error than if all you trigger finger needs to do is index and pull.

The SERPA has been banned by most of the big name training schools as well as instructors for this reason. While there are still plenty of agencies that issue and approve the SERPA that does not say much - I know of at least one big agency up until recently issued cross-draw flap style holsters.

[zfields]

If the holster isnt used how they say in the product literature, then yes its an accident waiting to happen, but from day one I was using it correctly and so was she. At times she has more safety than most guys on the firing line, shes the first girl I've dated that I dont have to keep saying "keep your finger off the trigger and keep it pointed down range" (which is great).

That said I was under the impression you meant I frankly didnt give a damn about her safety (of course I do), I reacted as such, sorry about that.

In any case, I dont have a problem with SERPA, I just found a more comfortable, cheaper and american made alternative (I read somewhere the models I have arent made here, who knows). Just picked up a ALS with a coupon I had through opticsplanet so she is set to go, she just has to get used to the new button system. I'm wishing they had one for the Sig Pro with mounted light.

Do you have the grey "sporter"? I think even that one is made in the US .

[Sturnovik]

I wouldn't let my wife or kid use a SERPA. I'm sure your GF has training and knows when to put her finger on the trigger, but the fact is that some pretty experienced and well trained people have had accidents with the SERPA. Everyone is prone to making a mistake, the problem with the SERPA is that when you make that mistake, your pistol is pointed at your leg.

It can happen with any holster, anytime, anywhere. I can see the argument quite honestly against the SERPA but its not this deathtrap device. IF its used correctly like it states, not pushing in the button but drawing it correctly, it wont cause a ND, let alone issue.

Its ok, some people are at different levels of training and such, I felt perfectly fine with her using, and so did she, even with the very info I brought her on some people having issues.
Too each his/her own.

Either way, this thread turned into something completely differently.

Hopefully everyone likes there ALS rigs.

[Sturnovik]

It's kind of like those guys who hate polymer-framed handguns, because some handloading newbie had one blow up in his hand at some point. Suddenly all Glocks and anything polymer are possible fragmentation devices, reliability be damned.

In the same way, Fobus turned people off to 'kydex' holsters, so it became the old-fashioned, reliable leather versus the plastic Scrotus, grouped together with anything else that wasn't leather. The Serpa was at least an innovative idea, and has been out for quite some time without some massive number of failures. Just concerns by people who suppose this or that could happen based on second-hand information (yeah sure, I bet everyone knows someone who had this or that problem).

The only other complaint has been dirt/gravel behind the latch, causing the gun to be locked in place, something that only suddenly arose when it was first being considered for USMC deployment!

Hm....innovative? Eh I suppose....I bought it for the price and the fact departments were using it and its a good company quite frankly. But for less I can get an ALS...WHICH IS SUPERIOR...for less money and made locally. In any case some SERPA models may be made her I dont know. I'd rather have a SERPA than no holster to hold it.

[Sturnovik]

Do you have the grey "sporter"? I think even that one is made in the US .

No, its black, standard finish, but I got one for my Glock a while back that is carbon fiber finish and when I called about my Sig key for a P228 I asked them why it was the same price and the guy on the phone said something that made it sound like it was possible made elsewhere. I may have misunderstood. Either way.

Just found a Sig Pro holster ALS, hurray!