CA legal 1911s?

[sephy]

So I'm in the market for a 1911. I looked at S&W, Colt, Para, and Springfield. In the end I decided on Springfield.

While browsing the California handgun list, I noticed that all of the Springfield 1911's on the list ended in "L" while all of the current models out ended in "LP". I'd assume that the "P" means "package" since the new ones are shipped with all sorts of goodies, but I'd also assume that this makes it so I cannot buy a gun with "LP" in its model name.

So now I start over, and this time ask for help. I've done a search on here but cannot come up with specific enough information. My question is this -- if I wanted to get a 1911 for at or under $800, what gun should I go for? At the moment I'm leaning toward S&W, but I just don't know.

Thank you,
Russ

[Mute]

The best thing to do is try each one at a gun store and see which one appeals to you the most. Everyone has their preferences, but don't confuse subjective feelings for objectivity because truthfully, all of the 1911 manufacturers are capable of delivering a good gun. So just get the one that feels right to you.

[Librarian]

While browsing the California handgun list, I noticed that all of the Springfield 1911's on the list ended in "L" while all of the current models out ended in "LP". I'd assume that the "P" means "package" since the new ones are shipped with all sorts of goodies, but I'd also assume that this makes it so I cannot buy a gun with "LP" in its model name.

While I agree that reading the California Roster is painful, I think you have made an unjustified leap of logic here. It amounts to suggesting Springfield has abandoned the California market and can no longer sell anything here.

You could call Springfield and ask, or follow Mute's suggestion and try some in-the-store Springfields; use the Springfield web site to pick a model that interests you (ignoring the "P") and look at the individual weapons here in state.

[sephy]

While I agree that reading the California Roster is painful, I think you have made an unjustified leap of logic here. It amounts to suggesting Springfield has abandoned the California market and can no longer sell anything here.

You could call Springfield and ask, or follow Mute's suggestion and try some in-the-store Springfields; use the Springfield web site to pick a model that interests you (ignoring the "P") and look at the individual weapons here in state.

I looked at a used Springfield a month or so back which is when I was first tipped off about the roster thing. The guy at the gun store said that Springfield wasn't putting a magazine disconnect safety in their 1911's, and by next year they need to or they can't sell them in CA. I just thought this "P" may be their way of indicating that. This may have been his way of trying to get me to buy the 1911 from his case though.

I know nothing about what they've done with the XD series.

Good idea on calling Springfield though. I think I will.

[Schlamoo]

The guy at the gun store said that Springfield wasn't putting a magazine disconnect safety in their 1911's, and by next year they need to or they can't sell them in CA............... This may have been his way of trying to get me to buy the 1911 from his case though.



Good idea on calling Springfield though. I think I will.

I think you need to go to a different gun shop. As long as Springfield continues to pay the state to keep renewing the models that are currently on the list they can remain and be sold legally. NO new models can be added to the list unless the gun has a magazine disconnect and a loaded chamber indicator.

[Librarian]

I looked at a used Springfield a month or so back which is when I was first tipped off about the roster thing. The guy at the gun store said that Springfield wasn't putting a magazine disconnect safety in their 1911's, and by next year they need to or they can't sell them in CA. I just thought this "P" may be their way of indicating that. This may have been his way of trying to get me to buy the 1911 from his case though.

It seems one of the most difficult things to get across is that guns stay on the Roster, and (as Schlamoo notes) so long as the manufacturers continue to pay the annual fees, those guns can continue to be sold regardless of other 'required features' created after the gun got on the Roster.

Legislature could change that, of course.

The gun shop guy seems to be off on his dates: new models, not yet on the Roster, must have both a magazine disconnect and a loaded chamber indicator, beginning the first of January this year. Models submitted for the Roster before 2006 are not required to have either.

[rorschach]

The guy at the gun store said that Springfield wasn't putting a magazine disconnect safety in their 1911's, and by next year they need to or they can't sell them in CA.

He lied to you. They do it all the time (..all OLL owners are going to jail etc...)

They were on the roster before this stupid law went into effect, and if SA keeps paying their extortion to the state, they shall remain on the roster.

Good choice on wanting a Springer though...you wont be disappointed. I have 3, all are solid performers.

[Buckelew]

I bought a Springer 1911 Custom Loaded last July at Reeds. So I think they're legal.

[sephy]

Well I guess that makes up my mind. Thanks guys!

[sephy]

Here is the response I got from Springfield on the matter:

Looks like my stocking will have a special treat this year

[Crazed_SS]

I just bought a SA MC Operator from California Police Equipment

The model # on the case is PX9105MLP.. It came with the package stuff (holster, mag pouch, etc) .. The model # on the DOJ roster is PX9105ML

I dont think the "P" matters.

[Mute]

Is the P designation on the frame also or just the case?

[Crazed_SS]

Just on the case.. doesnt have the model # stamped on the frame

Also.. I have an SA XD-9 .. the case says XD9101SP06

The DOJ roster just says "XD9101" .. the SP06 refers to the 06 Package with the holster and stuff.