A different take on the "Locked Container"

[Southpaw1969]

Can someone who really knows, chime in on this idea;

Instead of having a pistol with no round chambered, and no magazine inserted in a locked container, what about having the same pistol having its slide locked back and a cable lock through the action, placed into an unlocked container such as a soft zippered gun case, or similar?

For all practical purposes, this is the same thing. But, I know that sometimes laws can be very specific, and why take a chance!

Any ruling on this?

[Turo]

That would be an unlocked concealed handgun. The cable lock through the action does not a locked container make.

The law is pretty specific that the container be locked. A lock through the action does nothing legally.

[Oceanbob]

No. Not in the PC at all and you would have serious problems.

Funny how many people think that cable lock is for transporting handguns. It's not. It is to keep kids from loading or messing with the gun at home. Nothing more.

The law is specific. Unloaded in a secure locked case only.

Can someone who really knows, chime in on this idea;

Instead of having a pistol with no round chambered, and no magazine inserted in a locked container, what about having the same pistol having its slide locked back and a cable lock through the action, placed into an unlocked container such as a soft zippered gun case, or similar?

For all practical purposes, this is the same thing. But, I know that sometimes laws can be very specific, and why take a chance!

Any ruling on this?

[Cokebottle]

+1

Please refer to the actual written law, rather than looking at someone's explanation of what is legal and stretching to "that is legal, and this is functionally identical, so it should be legal as well"

Perhaps it SHOULD be legal, but PC12026.1 and PC12026.2, which provide the exemptions to PC12025 (concealed carry of a handgun) specifically state "Secure, locking container other than the glove box or utility compartment"

[Southpaw1969]

This is why I asked. I know that tiny details can make immense differences.

No need to talk to me like I'm an idiot. I made no claim that I plan on doing this, or have done this. Just thinking out loud and wanted an answer.

This also clearly shows that CA gun laws are generally written by people with <100 IQ's.

Yes, I'm aware of the whole "brown paper bag" with lock argument, but many of the cases displayed in threads here are functionally identical. A soft sided laptop case can be defeated in 3 seconds with a butterknife.

[Cokebottle]

This also clearly shows that CA gun laws are generally written by people with <100 IQ's.

You've got that right.

A soft sided laptop case can be defeated in 3 seconds with a butterknife.

Personally, if the zipper is not metallic, I'm not comfortable with it.
A solid range bag with a brass zipper and padlock? Ya... I'm comfortable with that.

[Cali-Shooter]

That would be an unlocked concealed handgun. The cable lock through the action does not a locked container make.

The law is pretty specific that the container be locked. A lock through the action does nothing legally.

You hit it right on the dot here; A cable lock through the action of a firearm fails to satisfy the law's requirement for a locked container.

As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, and 25610,
and in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2
of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means
a secure container
that is fully enclosed and
locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar
locking device.

The term "locked container" does not include the utility or
glove compartment of a motor vehicle.

From the Calguns Wiki:

Secure container

Secure is not defined in the Penal Code. The implication of the lock language suggests access to the handgun should be difficult without properly opening the lock. While this page cannot recommend brands or models, both hard-sided and soft-sided gun cases and other 'substantial' enclosures which can be locked would seem to fulfill the requirements of the law.
Fully enclosed

Fully enclosed is not defined in the Penal Code. This language does disallow the use of only a trigger lock or cable lock; locks without the fully-enclosing containers are not locked containers.


According to the law, it implies that only a container which encloses the handgun within it and is lockable (and is locked while transporting the unloaded handgun) is acceptable while transporting it in CA otherwise you may face penal code violation charges if caught.