Sig 556 pistol legality question

[1911Operator]

Hello everyone! I had a odd ball question about a future purchase. Ive shot a few AR 15 pistols and I really liked that you can rest your cheek on the spring tube and use the sights easier.

The concept:
By my understanding, on a AR pistol you can legally keep a spring tube that can accept a butt stock by wrapping it with 550 cord ( There is a ATF letter out there that describes this, does anyone have a link to it?? ).

Applying the concept:
My thought is to buy a Sig 556 pistol, then a folding stock. Get rid of the butt stock and keep the tube. Then wrap the tube in 550 cord so it cannot take a stock and attach it to the 556 pistol.

So I would be left with a tube that cannot accept a butt stock and could be extended when im shooting and folded when im transporting it back home. What do you guys think about this?? Is it legal or no??

[glocklover]

http://caatactical.com/viewProduct.asp?ID=131&catID=40

[1911Operator]

http://caatactical.com/viewProduct.asp?ID=131&catID=40

thats cool! so you think its legal to do what im thinking of doing??

[Quiet]

AR pistols need a buffer tube in order to work.

The SIG P556 and AK pistols do not need a buffer tube in order to work.
Installing a tube/strut/etc onto a SIG P556 or an AK pistol, could be viewed as redesigning the firearm to be fired from the shoulder, which would make it a SBR.

Unless you have $$$$$ for lawyer fees to fight a SBR charge, do not do what you are thinking about.



Penal Code 17090
As used in Sections 16530, 16640, 16650, 16660, 16870, and 17170, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, subdivision (f) of Section 27555, Article 2 (commencing with Section 30300) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

Penal Code 17170
As used in Sections 16530 and 16640, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) of Chapter 4 of Division 6 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "short-barreled rifle" means any of the following:
(a) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(b) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

[1911Operator]

AR pistols need a buffer tube in order to work.

The SIG P556 and AK pistols do not need a buffer tube in order to work.
Installing a tube/strut/etc onto a SIG P556 or an AK pistol, could be viewed as redesigning the firearm to be fired from the shoulder, which would make it a SBR.

Unless you have $$$$$ for lawyer fees to fight a SBR charge, do not do what you are thinking about.



Penal Code 17090
As used in Sections 16530, 16640, 16650, 16660, 16870, and 17170, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, subdivision (f) of Section 27555, Article 2 (commencing with Section 30300) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

Penal Code 17170
As used in Sections 16530 and 16640, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive, Section 17740, Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) of Chapter 4 of Division 6 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "short-barreled rifle" means any of the following:
(a) A rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(b) A rifle with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
(c) Any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

thanks for that info, but is it a for sure no or yes? should I contact ATF about this??

[unusedusername]

thanks for that info, but is it a for sure no or yes? should I contact ATF about this??

If you are very good at getting bureaucracies to do your bidding then you could write a letter to the technology branch of BATFE (registered mail), and if you are very lucky they may reply back in a few months.

It could also go the other way and have them say it is definitely illegal, so unless you are a better wordsmith then I am, trying this may be risky...

You would then need to do the same thing to CA DOJ, but we know they never reply to "is this legal" questions... so good luck with that one...

[Quiet]

Good luck trying to get approval from the BATFE and the CA DOJ BOF.

You will have better odds at winning the lotto.