Subcompact PPT in LA ok?

[1 SIG fan]

Can you ppt a g26 in la city (turners reseda)? I know they can't sell em
Also, does the 1 in 30 apply to this?

Iknow LA won't let you buy new even if you'veed PPT in the last 30..??

Thanks!

[Mr310]

Don't all FFLs have to PPT?

[troysland]

You can PPT as many handguns as you can afford. One handgun per 30 days applies to new handguns. Why would the G26 not be available for private party transfer in LA? Even ALL non-roster handguns are available for Private Party Transfers. Just give Turners Reseda a Call to confirm.

[ke6guj]

Don't all FFLs have to PPT?

yes, all CA dealers must do PPTs (however, if they dont' sell handguns, they don't have to do handgun PPTs (Big5 and Walmart (when they sold firearms))), but that doesn't mean that they have to PPT prohibited firearms.

LA does have some "special" firearms laws. LA dealers can't sell ultra-compact firearms (or the holsters for them) and you can't PPT multiple handguns within a 30-day period. Whether or not the ultra-compact ban extends to PPTs in LA, I dunno.

here is the actual MC,

SEC. 55.16. SALE OF ULTRACOMPACT FIREARMS PROHIBITED.
(Added by Ord. No. 173,875, Eff. 5/18/01.)

(a) As used in this section, the term “ultracompact firearm” shall mean any pistol, revolver, or other firearm, which has an overall length of six and three quarter inches (6.75") or less or an overall height of four and one half inches (4.5") or less, as measured with the magazine detached.

(b) As used in this section, the term “dealer” shall mean any person who is engaged in the retail sale of firearms and any retail firearms dealer, as that term is defined in Section 103.314 of this code.

(c) No dealer or other person shall sell, lend, give, transfer ownership of, or otherwise transfer to any other person any ultracompact firearm.

(d) No dealer shall process, pursuant to Penal Code Section 12072(d), any ultracompact firearm transaction between persons not licensed as firearms dealers or not possessing Federal Firearms Licenses.

(e) No dealer or other person shall sell, lend, give, transfer ownership of, or otherwise transfer to any other person any firearm accessory designed to enable or facilitate the carrying of any ultracompact firearm, including but not limited to shoulder holsters, ankle holsters, belt holsters, and other devices designed for the purpose of aiding the concealment of an ultracompact firearm, unless such accessory is designed so that it can be used with a firearm larger than an ultracompact firearm.

(f) The provisions of Subsections (c), (d), and (e) of this section shall not apply when the purchaser or transferee is any of the following:

(1) Any law enforcement agency;

(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties;

(3) Any state or local correctional facility;

(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in the State of California or employee thereof authorized to carry a firearm within the course and scope of his or her employment with such company;

(5) Any person properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in California Penal Code Sections 830.1, 830.2, 830.4, or 830.5, and who is authorized to carry and does carry a firearm within the course and scope of his or her employment as a peace officer;

(6) Any person properly identified as a retired peace officer;

(7) Any person described in Section 12302 or 12322 of the California Penal Code;

(8) Any person with a valid license to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to California Penal Code section 12050;

(9) The purchaser of an antique firearm, as defined in Paragraph (16) of Subsection (a) of Section 921 of the United States Code;

(10) The purchaser of a firearm in a collector’s series, provided that such firearm falls within the definition of a curio or relic contained in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations;

(11) A motion picture, television, or video production company, or an entertainment or theatrical company whose production involves the use of such handgun, provided that the firearm is borrowed or rented for such purpose, that the firearm is secured from unauthorized use during its use for such purpose, and that the firearm is returned to its owner within a reasonable period of time after it is no longer needed for such use;

(12) Any person who is exempt from the provisions of Subsection (d) of Section 12072 of the California Penal Code;

(13) Any person or entity conducting a transaction described in Subdivision (k) of Section 12078 of the California Penal Code;

(14) Any person licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the state Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071 of the California Penal Code;

(15) Any person or entity acquiring a firearm by bequest or by intestate succession;

(16) A person redeeming a firearm pledged to a pawnbroker, provided that such person provides proof that he or she is the person who pledged the firearm.

(g) Every dealer shall maintain separate records as to any sales exempted pursuant to Subsection (f) of this section, showing each sale of an ultracompact firearm, including as to each sale the name of the purchaser, type of handgun, date of sale, and documentation of any exemption pursuant to Penal Code Section 12050 or any other exemption set forth in Subsection (f). Such records shall be maintained on the premises of the dealer for a period of not less than two years and shall be subject to inspection at any time during normal business hours in accordance with the provisions of Section 103.14 of this code.

(h) Any violation of this section shall constitute a misdemeanor.

ok, the MC does prohibite an LA dealer from doing a PPT of a ultracompact firearm, with limited exemptions. One exemption is for C&R handguns. A separate exemption for for those buyers who have a C&R FFL + COE.

[Whatisthis?]

^^^
I've never heard that before, but I'm not near there, so I've never come across it... Interesting info tho. What is the legal definition of an "ultracompact"? Anything considered a subcompact or specific dimensions?

[ke6guj]

What is the legal definition of an "ultracompact"?

did you even read what I posted

(a) As used in this section, the term “ultracompact firearm” shall mean any pistol, revolver, or other firearm, which has an overall length of six and three quarter inches (6.75") or less or an overall height of four and one half inches (4.5") or less, as measured with the magazine detached.

[1 SIG fan]

Wow. I LOVE la... That's nuts.

Thanks for the research!!!

[Whatisthis?]

did you even read what I posted

Ok........ My bad. I just saw it was long and that you highlighted a bunch of stuff already so I just read the highlighted stuff.

[Yugo]

reseda will not PPT a small gun, they wouldnt even do a makarov I brought in a year ago they sent us to pasadena

[JAGGUY]

Wow, a G 26 is an ultra-compact...
I wonder what that makes my LCP.....

[paul0660]

ultracompact firearm is Newspeak for Saturday Night Special, which I actually preferred.

I know that these Municipal codes aren't on the top of the list, but they are irritating as heck...........especially the time spent to write them .

[Mr310]

ultracompact firearm is Newspeak for Saturday Night Special, which I actually preferred.

I know that these Municipal codes aren't on the top of the list, but they are irritating as heck...........especially the time spent to write them .

Except these "Saturday Night Specials" cost about the same as 7 Raven MP-25s.