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  • #16
    bwiese
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 27621

    Originally posted by ninjamaster
    More great info. $15,000/yr to be on the list, crazy. So a disassembled magazine is still a magazine huh?
    No a collection of disassembled magazine parts is not a magazine. Just don't (re)assemble any hicaps while inside CA.

    The so-called "guidance" in above posts about bringing in a whole buncha guns/frames with intention of selling is somewhat poor advice. While you can indeed move into CA with such guns, and sell them via FFL to other Californians later, selling off a whole bunch at once for high prices may smell really bad. If you hit certain limits (forget what they are) there's a chance you might be considered a dealer even though you sold these guns via FFL, etc. If you happen to be bored with a given gun now & then and decide to sell, that's one thing - if you're buying a 'fleet' of otherwise-unobtainable guns to 'flip', that's a whole 'nother thing.

    Here's the bottom line for new residents/those moving in:[indent]
    • bring whatever handguns you want (other than AWs). Semiauto pistols shouldn't have threaded bbls (even for compensators/muzzle weights), or magwells separate from grip (a la Tec 9, etc.)

    • Don't bring in hicap magazines (those holding over 10 rounds of the caliber for which it was designed). If you want to save your hicaps for the future if you move outside CA and are worried about any possibly future Federal bans (unlikely) on such, either bring them in disassembled, or store them outside CA in a safe deposit box and remember to pay your fees.

    • You have 60 days from moving in/establishing residence to register your handguns w/CA DOJ. You need to file a New Handgun Ownership Report w/CA DOJ and pay a $19/gun fee (last time I checked). This does not apply to ordinary long guns - your Rem 700s or 870s etc are fine.

    • Don't bring in assault weapons: some guns are banned not by features but by name (make/model). Generally speaking, semiauto rifles of ordinary appearance cannot have flash hiders. An M1A or Mini14 is just fine - unless it has a flash hider, then it's an AW. Make such conversions to such rifles prior to entering CA.

    • Don't bring in rifles chambered in 50BMG.

    • Some firearms that are not banned by name in CA as AWs can legally be configured so as not to violate the CA generic features AW ban - either by having a 10rd or less fixed magazine, or by using special grips or stocks (the special "MonsterMan" grip, as well as the "U15" stock from California Rifles) which legally cannot be considered as pistol grips or thumbhole stocks (and thus which cannot have other evil features like flash hiders or forward pistol grips, etc.) [If this interests you, these are matters of continuing discussion in the Rifle as well as Legal forums here, I won't go into deep detail here.]

    • Generally fuhgeddabout having or acquiring NFA-type items in CA (SBRs, SBSes, MGs, suppressors).

    • Some counties (usu not metro areas where it's most needed!) have more rational CCW issuance policies and if you can figure out (with guidance) the appropriate way to phrase your application you might have luck.

    • Transport handguns locked & unloaded. (Your trunk can be considered a locked container unless you have fold-down rear seats or one-button unlocking, etc.) Long guns do not have to be locked up if you're not driving near a school. Handguns, even locked & unloaded, should not be regarded as drive-around-all-day 'truck guns' - better to have an 870 or non-AW long gun for that.

    • Violations involving matters of illegal unpermitted "carrying a conceealed firearm" will likely be more harshly punished ("wobbler" = charged as felony or misdemeanor) if the handgun is not registered/DROSed ("DROS" = Dealer Record of Sale) to you. If the handgun is DROSed to you (i.e, via registration filed when you moved into CA as discussed in one of the items above) then bust is for misdemeanor CCW if no aggravating factors (assault, drugs, dangerous conduct, threats, etc.) - no jail time, fine, possible weekend warrior road cleanup. [This item should in no way be considered a recommendation for unpermitted CCW in CA and is merely a description of the situation in CA.

    • Register to vote as soon as you move here, and vote. If you are not a member of the NRA, join - so we can stop further nonsense.
    Last edited by bwiese; 11-08-2007, 10:46 AM.

    Bill Wiese
    San Jose, CA

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    • #17
      Librarian
      Admin and Poltergeist
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 44663

      bruss01, may I ask, please, where you get this number?
      they're not paying $15,000 to get it listed in CA
      It costs 3 copies of the gun + ammunition (if they want) + testing fee (but I don't seem to find that number) + $200 initial Roster listing to get a handgun on the Roster. [11 CCR s 4059, 11 CCR s 4072]. There's also probably staff time for the manufacturer to do documentation and follow along so the process goes smoothly.

      It just seems $15K is a bit high, at least until you get up into the Wilson Combat Signature altitude (which model, btw, seems to be absent from the Roster).

      Just incidentally found the answer to a question, that being "If a gun expires from the Roster, must it meet the current requirements to get back on, or the requirements under which it was originally added?"
      4070 (e) A manufacturer/importer or other responsible party may submit a written request to list a handgun model that was voluntarily discontinued or was removed for lack of payment of the annual maintenance fee. The written request must state that no modifications have been made to the model and be submitted to the DOJ together with the annual listing fee as set forth in s 4072 of these regulations.
      Since it talks about 'no modifications', current regs seem to say 'requirements as when the gun was first added to the Roster'.
      ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

      Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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      • #18
        ninjamaster
        Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 253

        Thanks BWiese for the awesome interpretation of the law! This is a guideline for me to use now.
        I'm not really a Ninja. I support the Constitution.

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        • #19
          bak
          Member
          • May 2006
          • 350

          caspian frames

          order as many as you can to help your new friends in CAlif

          BAK

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          • #20
            JTROKS
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Nov 2007
            • 13093

            What's the going price for a Caspian 1911 commander un-mutilated frame?

            How about a Caspian carbon Hi-cap?

            JTROKS
            The wise man said just find your place
            In the eye of the storm
            Seek the roses along the way
            Just beware of the thorns...
            K. Meine

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