Roster question/survey

[ap3572001]

In which way does the roster effects californians most: not being able to get NEW guns that are not on roster? Or used,out of production, collectible handguns?

[XYZ]

New guns. But SSE is your friend

[ElvenSoul]

neither anymore

[billybob_jcv]

Both. It shouldn't require a SSE to get a common gun like the XDM or a Glock Gen 4. That's just silly. It also shouldn't require jumping through hoops to get an older Browning Buckmark or a Dan Wesson revolver.

In addition, IMHO the *real* problem is that many out of state dealers have simply chosen not to deal with the CA nonsense. Lots of Gun Broker sales are excluded from CA buyers - even if they ARE on the roster or are roster-exempt.

Finally, the roster is simply a BAD law. It doesn't have anything to do with safety and it completely fails at any attempt to be logical or rational. For that alone, it should be stricken.

[Cyc Wid It]

Certain guns are still a pain due to design.

Re: Gunbroker etc. people who won't deal with CA - don't feel bad for them when they go under and don't do business with them, especially the ones with the particularly inflammatory descriptions.

[InGrAM]

Both. It shouldn't require a SSE to get a common gun like the XDM or a Glock Gen 4. That's just silly. It also shouldn't require jumping through hoops to get an older Browning Buckmark or a Dan Wesson revolver.

In addition, IMHO the *real* problem is that many out of state dealers have simply chosen not to deal with the CA nonsense. Lots of Gun Broker sales are excluded from CA buyers - even if they ARE on the roster or are roster-exempt.

Finally, the roster is simply a BAD law. It doesn't have anything to do with safety and it completely fails at any attempt to be logical or rational. For that alone, it should be stricken.

In bold. It is quite sad and what the government of this state wants.

Sorry, off topic, but I recently ordered an airsoft pistol for a friends kids bday, the company wouldn't ship to CA.... As for as I know there is no restrictions on airsoft guns in CA.

[SWMP15]

OK fella's, bear with me here... But has the CA handgun rooster ever been challenged for all of the obvious reasons??

[Librarian]

OK fella's, bear with me here... But has the CA handgun rooster ever been challenged for all of the obvious reasons??

See Pena v Cid, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Pena_v._Cid

[SWMP15]

Thanks Librarian!

[RolinThundr]

I was just looking over the wiki info, and since both parties have agreed that the stay should be lifted, we should see some progress, probably by spring 2012?

[NeenachGuy]

handgun rooster

Sorry... I couldn't resist.

Although there are ways around the roster, I think it mainly results in increased inconvenience and expense for law abiding citizens who wish to purchase new handguns. It is probably one of the dumbest laws/policies I've ever seen.

[stix213]

Just makes the guns you want more expensive and time consuming to get.

[Cougar]

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I think it mainly results in increased inconvenience and expense for law abiding citizens who wish to purchase new handguns. It is probably one of the dumbest laws/policies I've ever seen.

True.

It makes it more expensive for manufactures in a few ways.
1) The raw direct costs of applying for, paying for and donating merchandise for the "test"
2) Their bureaucratic overhead costs in screwing around with the Cal DOJ
2a) including their CYA legal department overhead. And various other forms of "fear of Cal-DOJ" analysis paralysis.

Ultimately, we pay for all of it.

It limits the availability of product, makes the product more expensive, and thwarts innovation.

That was its primary intended purpose - frustrate the industry and its customers.

Yea, some bureaucratic bozo can probably point to some real "unsafe" product examples. But that is and was a minuscule amount of what we're dealing with here.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

The idiots on GB are not refusing to sell to CA because of the roster. It is because of the CFLC. They do not want to register with the CA DOJ.

[billybob_jcv]

True.

It makes it more expensive for manufactures in a few ways.
1) The raw direct costs of applying for, paying for and donating merchandise for the "test"
2) Their bureaucratic overhead costs in screwing around with the Cal DOJ
2a) including their CYA legal department overhead. And various other forms of "fear of Cal-DOJ" analysis paralysis.

Ultimately, we pay for all of it.

It limits the availability of product, makes the product more expensive, and thwarts innovation.

That was its primary intended purpose - frustrate the industry and its customers.

Yea, some bureaucratic bozo can probably point to some real "unsafe" product examples. But that is and was a minuscule amount of what we're dealing with here.

The fact that hi-point, phoenix arms and the other low cost gun makers can still get their guns into CA - if they want to - proves that the law is nonsense. The guns targeted by the roster were never "unsafe" - the kid killed by the Jennings gun had "unsafe" parents. It was a tragic accident that had nothing to do with the gun but was used by the antis to get the roster implemented. Bad law created for the wrong reason.