OK, kinda of a unique situation here.
Today I picked up a handgun I bought from another Calgunner last month. Release day was November 1, but I could only get down there today - it's a 5 hour drive (we had agreed to meet there for the PPT as a halfway point).
The pistol in question is rather unusual, and comes standard with 15-round mags. They were acquired with the handgun in the 80s by the seller (then a LEO), and the original plan was that he would disassemble the mags himself, and hand me over part kits. I was obviously planning to keep them as is, and acquire 10-round, California-legal mags for the gun myself.
PPT went smoothly overall last month, except when the mags subject came up. Seller mentioned the disassembled mags in front of the shop guy, who said he couldn't legally let us do that, and he couldn't do the transfer without a legal mag. For $20, he would convert the 15-rd mags to 10 rounds. The seller, a class act, insisted to pay for the conversions.
No problems so far.
Today, I go down to the shop to pick up the gun, almost a week after the gun is officially out of jail. A lady at the shop - very nice - gets the gun out, but can't find the magazines. She tells me her son - probably the guy who did the PPT - is the one who does the conversions, but she doesn't know where the mags are. Her son is at a shoot several miles away. She tells me she'll call me to let me know if she can get a hold of me in time.
She tells me normally she wouldn't release the gun to me as I can't perform a safe handling demonstration of the gun since it doesn't have the mags (on a side note, it's got a mag disconnect feature). She however lets me sign the safe handling demonstration affidavit. She sees I live far away, so she obviously feels that it would be crappy to not release the gun to me. She tells me that worst case scenario, they'll ship the mags to me. I say it's fair.
I buy some ammo from them as I always do out of courtesy at the shops where I do a PPT (spent like $70 on HD and turkey 12 ga ammo). As I put the ammo into the lockable container where I just put the handgun, she tells me the ammo cannot be legally in the same box as the handgun. I let it go and tell her I'll make sure to remove the ammo from the box when I get to the car (of course I didn't).
I'm a little surprised as I thought my HSC card didn't require me to do the safe handling demonstration. Bought several handguns - new or PPT - and never been asked to perform it.
A couple of hours later after picking up the gun, during lunch, having not heard from the shop, I call about the mags. They close at 3, and I'd really like to pick them up before going back home - it's a long drive.
Manage to get the son on the phone, who tells me the mags are not ready. "I've got like 15 handguns to work on", he tells me. "But the handgun's 10 days waiting period ended 6 days ago", I tell him. "Sorry buddy", he tells me, but he's overwhelmed with work. "We can't release the gun to you", he adds. I hear some talking behind him. "Oh, it's been released", he mumbles. He tells me he'll try to get back to me before 3. 2 pm arrives, then 3 pm. No call. So I guess they'll have to ship the mags, and they better not charge me for shipping.
OK, so I have several questions:
1. Is it true (and if yes, where is the PC section or DOJ/ATF policy on this) that the dealer needs a magazine with the handgun in order to do the PPT paperwork legally?
2. Do I have to perform a safety handling demonstration in order to pick up a handgun even if I already have a HSC?
Today I picked up a handgun I bought from another Calgunner last month. Release day was November 1, but I could only get down there today - it's a 5 hour drive (we had agreed to meet there for the PPT as a halfway point).
The pistol in question is rather unusual, and comes standard with 15-round mags. They were acquired with the handgun in the 80s by the seller (then a LEO), and the original plan was that he would disassemble the mags himself, and hand me over part kits. I was obviously planning to keep them as is, and acquire 10-round, California-legal mags for the gun myself.
PPT went smoothly overall last month, except when the mags subject came up. Seller mentioned the disassembled mags in front of the shop guy, who said he couldn't legally let us do that, and he couldn't do the transfer without a legal mag. For $20, he would convert the 15-rd mags to 10 rounds. The seller, a class act, insisted to pay for the conversions.
No problems so far.
Today, I go down to the shop to pick up the gun, almost a week after the gun is officially out of jail. A lady at the shop - very nice - gets the gun out, but can't find the magazines. She tells me her son - probably the guy who did the PPT - is the one who does the conversions, but she doesn't know where the mags are. Her son is at a shoot several miles away. She tells me she'll call me to let me know if she can get a hold of me in time.
She tells me normally she wouldn't release the gun to me as I can't perform a safe handling demonstration of the gun since it doesn't have the mags (on a side note, it's got a mag disconnect feature). She however lets me sign the safe handling demonstration affidavit. She sees I live far away, so she obviously feels that it would be crappy to not release the gun to me. She tells me that worst case scenario, they'll ship the mags to me. I say it's fair.
I buy some ammo from them as I always do out of courtesy at the shops where I do a PPT (spent like $70 on HD and turkey 12 ga ammo). As I put the ammo into the lockable container where I just put the handgun, she tells me the ammo cannot be legally in the same box as the handgun. I let it go and tell her I'll make sure to remove the ammo from the box when I get to the car (of course I didn't).
I'm a little surprised as I thought my HSC card didn't require me to do the safe handling demonstration. Bought several handguns - new or PPT - and never been asked to perform it.
A couple of hours later after picking up the gun, during lunch, having not heard from the shop, I call about the mags. They close at 3, and I'd really like to pick them up before going back home - it's a long drive.
Manage to get the son on the phone, who tells me the mags are not ready. "I've got like 15 handguns to work on", he tells me. "But the handgun's 10 days waiting period ended 6 days ago", I tell him. "Sorry buddy", he tells me, but he's overwhelmed with work. "We can't release the gun to you", he adds. I hear some talking behind him. "Oh, it's been released", he mumbles. He tells me he'll try to get back to me before 3. 2 pm arrives, then 3 pm. No call. So I guess they'll have to ship the mags, and they better not charge me for shipping.
OK, so I have several questions:
1. Is it true (and if yes, where is the PC section or DOJ/ATF policy on this) that the dealer needs a magazine with the handgun in order to do the PPT paperwork legally?
2. Do I have to perform a safety handling demonstration in order to pick up a handgun even if I already have a HSC?
Comment