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  • bondobob
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 10

    Remington Rand National Match Question

    I've got what I thought was a Colt M1911a1 Army National Match reworked by the Springfield Armory. I recently discovered that the frame is actually a Remington Rand 1945 US army issued weapon. The frame is stamped United States Property M1911A1 US Army. there is the SA underneath with the small NM stamped on the trigger guard. The slide is a Colt with the national match s/n as is the barrel. My big question is on the trigger guard there is a factory "bump" at the bottom front. I'm looking for some information on this pistol including possibly a rough value. I'm attaching a couple of pics.

    Thanks,
    Bob
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    BDH
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 257

    Well, it's not a legal configuration for leg matches (excellence in competition) matches due to the hooked trigger guard; the lowered sight may be legal. The ambi extended safety isn't, as well as the beavertail. The trigger hook is reminiscent of the Seecamp conversions of the past, although I'm sure others were doing it as well. So overall, calling it a NM is incorrect. The frame may have been mated to a NM upper at some point, but significant changes have been made. The ejection port looks wierd though, but if reliable, would make a very nice shooter for IDPA (don't know if legal for that) or IPSC-style matches.

    As far as value, it's a parts gun. It does look like it's nicely done. If you knew the provenance it might add some value. Look on Gunbroker or another auction site and get an idea on value with comparables.

    Does it have LWS stamped on the left side of the trigger guard hook? If so, L.W. Seecamp did at least the trigger guard.



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    HTH
    Bruce
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    • #3
      PRCABR4Christ
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 954

      Kinda looks like a S&W rear sight, Swenson was known for using S&W sights on his match 1911's
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      • #4
        fiddletown
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 4928

        Originally posted by PRCABR4Christ
        Kinda looks like a S&W rear sight, Swenson was known for using S&W sights on his match 1911's
        I don't think so. It looks like a Bomar to me.

        I agree that the trigger guard looks like the sort of work that Seecamp did.
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        • #5
          PRCABR4Christ
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 954

          Originally posted by fiddletown
          I don't think so. It looks like a Bomar to me.

          I agree that the trigger guard looks like the sort of work that Seecamp did.
          oops...thats right, the S&W ones came with the flat strap, good call
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          • #6
            InGrAM
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 3699

            That is a fine looking 1911 Very unique, I love it.

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            • #7
              bondobob
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 10

              The rear sight is a Bomar. Thanks for all the input, there is nothing on the left side of the trigger guard. Was it common to replace the trigger guard on these old guns? It looks like an intregal part of the frame.

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