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  • Paltik
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 746

    Range report: S&W 340PD vs. Ruger LCR

    I'm counting down the days before California lets me buy my next handgun (bought my daughter something in preparation for her 21st birthday earlier this month), and I'm set on getting a very light, small, reliable revolver--something easy to throw in a purse or shove in a pocket, something that can be depended upon if it comes down to that.

    My top choices have boiled down to the Smith & Wesson 642 and the Ruger LCR, both in .38 Special +P. Also not yet knocked out of consideration are their .357 variants. It seems each day I wake up with my mind set on a different selection from this field.

    When one starts researching these light snubbies, one thing that stands out are words and phrases like "pain," "getting your hand slammed in the car door," "not a shooter," etc. Not promising. In addition, both families have their promotors. I figured the smart thing to do before making up my mind would be to go the the local firing range and rent the darn things and see for myself.

    So today I found myself at Iron Sights in Oceanside. Their 442 (the matte black version of the 642) was out to the manufacturer for service, but they did have the even lighter 340PD (the scandium alloy version of the 642 in .357, both lighter and more than double the price) for me to shoot, along with an LCR. Good enough for today's checkout.

    The contenders:

    The S&W 340PD, weighing in at 11.4 oz empty, 6.31" long, MSRP $1019, vs. the Ruger LCR, weighing 13.5 oz and 6.5" long with a MSRP of $525.

    I could hardly notice the weight difference, but I found I could close my eyes and correctly identify each revolver by weight. Both guns, though heavily used as range rentals, looked to be in good condition, and all the moving parts were tight and smooth. I liked the feel of the S&W's smaller grip better, but was able to get a good firm grasp on either gun. I shook the Ruger gently, and sure enough I heard its signature rattle.

    Time to start shooting. With all the build-up I've been getting from online forums, I was practically chanting, "Don't flinch! Don't flinch! Don't flinch!" to myself in ironic anticipation of some real hurt. But the range ammo, which was not +P, did not hurt. I would compare the recoil to hitting a baseball with an aluminum bat; the guns jarred and vibrated rather than stung or stabbed or bit. I felt little noticeable difference in recoil between the S&W and the Ruger, though if I had to say I'd say the recoil was slightly better with the Ruger.

    I'd wanted to see what it felt like to fire a .357 Magnum round through the 340PD, and the guy behind the counter rummaged around in some bins and came up with a single .357 round. Once again visions of the airweight gun flying out of my broken fingers haunted me as I chambered that round, took a deep breath, and fired...

    ...And what an anticlimax that was. In my hands (smallish for my frame) the .357 didn't feel very much more powerful than the .38 Special I'd been shooting. It was more powerful, and the gun sure bucked more, and I had no problem feeling the difference...but still, meh, hitting a baseball with an aluminum bat.

    I'm thinking now I'll go for a .357 for sure, shoot a lot of regular .38 ammo at the range, and carry .38 +P. I feel good about this choice only because I actually tried shooting the guns for myself. But then, if I go .357 I'll have to either add 3.6 oz to what I'll have to carry (Ruger) or add $570 to what I'll have to pay (S&W). Hmm, maybe "for sure" was premature. Anyway, back to the range report.

    As everyone points out all over the Internet, the Ruger's trigger pull was smoother than the S&W's. Noticeably so. But I wouldn't make the selection based on this difference; in neither case was the trigger pull a big deal. Maybe those other guys are all real used to shooting pistols rather than revolvers, or maybe I haven't been spoiled yet by something really nice.

    The 340PD had a serious reliability issue: the first four times I loaded the gun, one round failed to fire (IOW 4 out of 20 times). The cylinder would turn, and I would hear and feel the snap of the hammer falling...but nada. In each case, I did what I would not have been able to do with an autofeed pistol: I simply pulled the trigger again and took my next shot. Upon examination, the unfired ammo showed no indication it had ever been near a firing pin. After I shot the .357 round, the 340PD fired every round. I reported this to the guy behind the counter, and as he replaced the gun in the glass counter he mused that it probably needed its timing looked at.

    It looks like I'll need to practice a lot with my new snubbie, whichever model I end up buying. My shots were all over the place at 10 yards with the 340PD. All were "on paper," but my "groups" (if you'll excuse the term) were sometimes 12" across. It was strangely difficult for me to focus on the front sight when shooting--I'd see it, but it was all fuzzy-looking. I'm almost 50, so I peered at the sight more closely, and at close range through my bicfocals the sight seemed squared enough. The LCR's sight, on the other hand, easily resolved itself in my sight picture (it had the standard pinned ramp sight). Although I preferred the way the 340PD felt in my hands, I shot more accurately with the LCR; my groups with that gun were 5-8".

    So, yeah, I won't mind shooting a small light revolver in .38 Special +P or even .357. But I'm going to wait for Iron Sights' 442 to come back from the factory before making a decision which to buy. I don't think the recoil will be a problem for me putting the requisite rounds through any of the choices at the range.

    BTW, the guy behind the counter recommended the S&W Bodyguard in .38 Special +P--like the LCR, it has a polymer frame. He says the trigger was terrific on the Bodyguard. So far the idea hasn't thrilled me, but who knows how I'll feel when I wake up in the morning?
  • #2
    Echidin
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 3072

    The 442 is nice for what it is and I wouldn't mind owning another one sometime in the future, but .38 spl +P would be as much power as I would want to shoot from an 11 oz J-frame. If you're not deadset on the 340PD or the 442 check out the model 60. Almost twice the weight of the 340PD, around $300 less than the 340PD and you have the option of 2" bbl fixed sights or a 3" bbl with adjustable back sights. Just something to consider. I may have overlooked it in your post, but what purpose would the gun be used for?

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    • #3
      Paltik
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 746

      It's meant for SD for times when anything heavier might seem too heavy to bother with. I have a shotgun for HD.

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      • #4
        Paltik
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 746

        Follow-up: My right hand is sore the day after, in the meaty area at the base of my thumb and the web of my hand.

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        • #5
          kmrtnsn
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 75

          I own a 340PD, it has been flawless in its function and I have not experienced the mis-firing noted by the OP. I have had the opportunity to fire the LCR and I came away from the experience quite impressed. The trigger is very smooth. One would have to pay $100 or more to get a trigger job on a S&W wheelgun to get a similar feeling trigger. The price point for the Ruger is also very tough to beat in comparison to the 340PD. I would be interested in hearing from someone with a high round count through the LCR to get an idea on the durability of the design.

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          • #6
            ChrisTKHarris
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 4203

            You can get a 340PD for less than $1k. More in the $650-800 range.
            Don't let the name fool you...

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            • #7
              Paltik
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 746

              Well, I found a good enough deal on a 340PD to go ahead and purchase one (used). Having shot one first helped me realize the recoil would be manageable.

              I do "get it" that one single .357 round is not really sufficient to make an informed judgement--in addition to load and weight of the bullet, I hear people saying that there's a big difference between shooting a round or two and shooting a full cylinder or 3. However, with all the hyperbole going on I had visions of the gun jumping out of my bleeding hands and clobbering me on the head on its way to smashing itself against the ground; at least now I know I'll be able to keep things under control.

              I like having the .357 even though I just carry +P's for the extra strength. I was also making weight a big priority, and this gun is just about as light as it gets.

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              • #8
                Toolbox X
                Veteran Member
                • Jan 2005
                • 2602

                I have my CCW in Sacramento and I bought a Ruger LCR to carry. The LCR is inexpensive and light. The trigger is good and the non-laser Hogue grip it uses was specifically designed for the LCR to reduce recoil which it does.

                The non-laser Hogue grip is also pretty big. It makes firing the pistol feel nicer, but for carry it makes the pistol bigger and less comfortable. (The laser grip is surprisingly smaller than the Hogue.)

                I hate that stupid metal ding sound the LCR has.

                I ran into what I consider a serious problem with the LCR. The LCR trigger has multiple reset points. If you release the trigger and reach the second to last reset point, but not the full reset, the trigger will pull and the cylinder with cycle, but the internal hammer will not reset and the pistol will not fire. At first I thought this was going to be just a minor annoyance. However, in action, whenever I did any kind of even moderately fast shooting this trigger reset problem would happen. It happened 3 times during my CCW qualification which was 50 rounds. When I fired the pistol as fast as I could it would usually happen 1-2 times out of the 5 shots.

                For fun, you can pull the trigger and let it reset just right so you cycle the cylinder over and over again without the hammer ever resetting. The cylinder just spins around and around.

                At SHOT show 2011 I went to the Ruger booth to see if the upcoming LCR .357 would have the same problem. It did. It turns out the LCR uses the trigger system from the SP101, and the SP101 does it as well. The GP100 did not have this problem.

                So I got rid of the LCR. There is no way I am going to trust my life to something that has such a good chance of malfunctioning.

                I bought a 340PD. The weight of this thing, given that it is a full .357 magnum, is unmatched by any other handgun. It's outstanding and surprises everyone who handles it.

                With the 340PD I shoot .38's to practice. If I fire as fast as I possibly can, I can sometimes get the 340PD to do the same thing as the LCR, cycle the cylinder without resetting the hammer. But it's hard to do and rare. (I also think it is only possible on some, but not all of the cylinder. Strange.) The pistol is not perfect, but no pistol is.

                Real .357 out of the 340PD is a wrist breaker. It ends my day of shooting. I practice with .38 and carry .357. .357 is more effective than .38+P and the pistol can shoot it so I'l take more power over less. In a life threatening situation the extra recoil will make no difference, and I'll live with my wrist hurting afterward.

                The trigger on the 340PD takes some real getting used to. At 15 yards my groups were all over the place. I was shooting slow and really taking my time, which was the problem. The DA trigger is so long and heavy it makes slow precise shooting really hard. When I sped up my shooting and learned the trigger my groups went from 18"+ to 6-8" at 15 yards.

                Both the LCR and 340PD are not fun to shoot. (I gave myself an awesome blister the day I qualified with my 340PD from shooting 70-80 rounds.) But these pistols are not designed to be shot for fun or enjoyment. They are designed to be very light and concealable.

                That's my experience, whatever it's worth. Good luck with whatever you decide.

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                • #9
                  ChrisTKHarris
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 4203

                  Originally posted by Paltik
                  Well, I found a good enough deal on a 340PD to go ahead and purchase one (used). Having shot one first helped me realize the recoil would be manageable.

                  I do "get it" that one single .357 round is not really sufficient to make an informed judgement--in addition to load and weight of the bullet, I hear people saying that there's a big difference between shooting a round or two and shooting a full cylinder or 3. However, with all the hyperbole going on I had visions of the gun jumping out of my bleeding hands and clobbering me on the head on its way to smashing itself against the ground; at least now I know I'll be able to keep things under control.

                  I like having the .357 even though I just carry +P's for the extra strength. I was also making weight a big priority, and this gun is just about as light as it gets.
                  How much did you end up getting your 340PD for?
                  Don't let the name fool you...

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                  • #10
                    Paltik
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 746

                    I paid $700 for the 340PD, some holsters, a couple of speed strips, and three boxes of different kinds of ammo.

                    I saw no signs of cylinder face erosion, and the cylinder seemed nice and tight.

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                    • #11
                      ChrisTKHarris
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 4203

                      Very cool!
                      Don't let the name fool you...

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