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  • CAglock20c
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 1038

    i bought a pistol out of state...

    Can the FFL here charge me tax?
    "I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns."- Bobby Lee Swagger, Shooter

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    RazzB7
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 3419

    If your FFL holds to the letter of the law as it is currently written, he should collect sales tax. If he doesn't, then you are supposed to pay it at the end of they year as "use tax". (Everyone pays that, right?)
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    • #3
      CAglock20c
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 1038

      Such b.s. This guy rips people off only time this has ever happened to me. He even charges people for the FREE handgun safety booklet the state puts out.
      "I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns."- Bobby Lee Swagger, Shooter

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      • #4
        Mssr. Eleganté
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        • Oct 2005
        • 10401

        Originally posted by CAglock20c
        Such b.s. This guy rips people off only time this has ever happened to me. He even charges people for the FREE handgun safety booklet the state puts out.
        How is he ripping you off?

        California says he has to charge you sales tax on firearms coming from out of state retailers. And the "free" handgun safety booklet isn't free unless you download the online version. CalDOJ charges for the printed HSC study guides.
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        • #5
          BlackRain17
          Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 103

          Originally posted by CAglock20c
          Such b.s. This guy rips people off only time this has ever happened to me. He even charges people for the FREE handgun safety booklet the state puts out.
          Find a new FFL.
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          • #6
            BigDogatPlay
            Calguns Addict
            • Jun 2007
            • 7362

            Originally posted by RazzB7
            If your FFL holds to the letter of the law as it is currently written, he should must collect sales tax. If he doesn't, then you are supposed to pay it at the end of they year as "use tax". (Everyone pays that, right?)
            Fixed that for you....
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            • #7
              JeremyS
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 2014

              They all collect sales tax now. Most didn't a year ago, but they pretty much all do now. The only way you can get around this is if you have the gun shipped to your FFL without a sales receipt in it. No receipt, no idea what you paid for it, and they cannot charge the sales tax. It is then up to you to pay your use tax when you do your tax return.
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              • #8
                CSACANNONEER
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                • Dec 2006
                • 44093

                Originally posted by CAglock20c
                Such b.s. This guy rips people off only time this has ever happened to me. He even charges people for the FREE handgun safety booklet the state puts out.
                Sorry dude, you're thee one full of it. First of all, the state board of equalization is requiring that FFLs charge sales tax on out of state purchases. Secondly, there are no "free handgun safety booklets". There has ALWAYS been a charge for them. That is completely normal at every shop I've been to.
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                • #9
                  Curley Red
                  Banned
                  • May 2011
                  • 1737

                  Originally posted by CAglock20c
                  He even charges people for the FREE handgun safety booklet the state puts out.
                  Something free from the state, now that is funny. The book usually costs $1.

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                  • #10
                    mif_slim
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 10089

                    uh, the stupid thing I think is the HSC, we dont even need it in the first place. grrr..
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                    It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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                    • #11
                      JTROKS
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 13093

                      FFL holders don't make much on PPTs, but for out of state transfers they do alright. I was told by several FFL that they will charge $100 or 10% of the firearm's value whichever is greater.
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                      Just beware of the thorns...
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                      • #12
                        Quiet
                        retired Goon
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 30241

                        Originally posted by Curley Red
                        Something free from the state, now that is funny. The book usually costs $1.
                        You could always download it for free.



                        It costs money in a printed form, because paper & ink costs money.
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                        • #13
                          Merc1138
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 19742

                          Originally posted by JTROKS
                          FFL holders don't make much on PPTs, but for out of state transfers they do alright. I was told by several FFL that they will charge $100 or 10% of the firearm's value whichever is greater.
                          Those transfer fees are entirely up to the FFL. They could charge $25, or if they really don't want to do it they could charge $250.

                          Blaming the FFL for the tax issue is insane. Have people not paid any attention to the news and what's been going on with CA and amazon.com? The BoE knows that there are transactions occurring, and they also know that the DoJ has records of those transactions. All they have to do is ask(and it's not like the DoJ is going to tell them "no") and then start auditing businesses and people if they don't see anything reported that comes close to what the transactions should have been.

                          This is the same tax you're supposed to have been paying when buying things out of state all along. It isn't new. Sure, it's possible you got a good deal on a Springfield TRP operator, but you definitely didn't pay $5 for it. Crap like that is how people get audited, and the state wants the money(and if it means spending more money than they'd be making just to prove a point to others, then so be it). Coming to calguns and throwing a tantrum about how you want to break the law or expect a business to do it for you isn't going to get you any sympathy.

                          Also, as people have mentioned there is no "free" handout for the handgun safety study guide. If you don't want to pay for it, then download it.

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                          • #14
                            CAglock20c
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1038

                            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                            Sorry dude, you're thee one full of it. First of all, the state board of equalization is requiring that FFLs charge sales tax on out of state purchases. Secondly, there are no "free handgun safety booklets". There has ALWAYS been a charge for them. That is completely normal at every shop I've been to.
                            No, sorry dude, but they're free at my shop. he was charging $2. maybe you should get a new FFL? this has been the only FFL to charge sales tax on an out of state purchase of the 3 this year....
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                            • #15
                              Oceanbob
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 12719

                              No tax on a gift. I always have any out of State receipts sent to my home. Not in the package with my gift gun.
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