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  • kayaker
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 1011

    Lesson learned from recent Glacier NP trip

    August 2011, My wife and I were walking along a trail in the Swiftcurrent area of Glacier N.P, I had an of a can of bear spray and my Ruger SP101 with 180 grain .357 loads. We were hiking along and intentionally making a lot of noise. the wind was blowing in our faces at 15-20 MPH. We rounded a bend in the trail and about 20 yards away a "small" Grizzly (I guestimate about 400 lbs.) was waiting behind a tree and upon seeing us turned and ran away.
    As soon as I saw the bear (my wife saw him first) I reached for my spray and gun at the same time. He was gone before either were removed from their respective holsters.
    My observation was that if he had charged (and a hiker was mauled in the park the previous day) I would not have gotten either out before the bear was on me, he was very fast.
    The spray would have done me more harm than good as I'm sure it would have blown back and done at least as much harm to me as it would have done to the bear.
    My holster (an Uncle Mike's "Sidekick" nylon holster with a retainer strap with a snap on it) would have taken too long to draw my gun.
    My gun was what I had but was too small!
    Montana state law says that anyone without a felony arrest can loaded open carry, that includes inside Glacier N.P.
    We were there for 4 days. I hiked 2 trails that went in more than 3 miles, plus a several shorter hikes. I saw probably 100 other hikers on the trails I saw 1 hiker with a medium caliber semi auto (looked like a Browning HP) and 1 hiker with a large revolver (.44 mag, 3 inch barrel)
    In both Yellowstone and Glacier I saw several people with some sort of bag or fanny pack noticeably close to their right hand.
    Most hiking parties had one or more people carrying bear spray. As I said before, with a strong headwind the spray would have been next to worthless. there were some groups, usually family groups that had no visible means of defense. (how would you feel watching your wife or your kids being killed and you have no means of stopping it? )
    When I go back I will have a quality fitted leather holster for my .44 mag revolver. There will be no retainer strap. I checked out a S&W 629 today, I think a 4" barrel model will do just fine.
  • #2
    SantaCabinetguy
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2011
    • 15142

    Wow,
    Glad to hear your situation ended ok, 20yrds is pretty close. I am a fan of fitted holsters, nice that you are able to learn from this situation and go back better prepared next time.
    Hauoli Makahiki Hou


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    • #3
      shooting4life
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2009
      • 5770

      If you could swing it a 629 fixed sight it would be perfect.

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      • #4
        Diamondback68
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 45

        I have spent a lot of time around bears armed mostly with a 400mm lens. A Griz can run down a horse and when you see them fight you cannot believe just how fast they can move. Look up the Alaska Guide Holster, a cross draw, you see a lot of them up there. Best protection from griz is 2 or more sharp pairs of eyes and a watcher with a magnum rifle.

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        • #5
          phamkl
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 551

          And a Rosary.

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          • #6
            Tarn_Helm
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 2126

            Bears are BIG.

            Originally posted by kayaker
            August 2011, My wife and I were walking along a trail in the Swiftcurrent area of Glacier N.P, I had an of a can of bear spray and my Ruger SP101 with 180 grain .357 loads. We were hiking along and intentionally making a lot of noise. the wind was blowing in our faces at 15-20 MPH. We rounded a bend in the trail and about 20 yards away a "small" Grizzly (I guestimate about 400 lbs.) was waiting behind a tree and upon seeing us turned and ran away.
            As soon as I saw the bear (my wife saw him first) I reached for my spray and gun at the same time. He was gone before either were removed from their respective holsters.
            My observation was that if he had charged (and a hiker was mauled in the park the previous day) I would not have gotten either out before the bear was on me, he was very fast.
            The spray would have done me more harm than good as I'm sure it would have blown back and done at least as much harm to me as it would have done to the bear.
            My holster (an Uncle Mike's "Sidekick" nylon holster with a retainer strap with a snap on it) would have taken too long to draw my gun.
            My gun was what I had but was too small!
            Montana state law says that anyone without a felony arrest can loaded open carry, that includes inside Glacier N.P.
            We were there for 4 days. I hiked 2 trails that went in more than 3 miles, plus a several shorter hikes. I saw probably 100 other hikers on the trails I saw 1 hiker with a medium caliber semi auto (looked like a Browning HP) and 1 hiker with a large revolver (.44 mag, 3 inch barrel)
            In both Yellowstone and Glacier I saw several people with some sort of bag or fanny pack noticeably close to their right hand.
            Most hiking parties had one or more people carrying bear spray. As I said before, with a strong headwind the spray would have been next to worthless. there were some groups, usually family groups that had no visible means of defense. (how would you feel watching your wife or your kids being killed and you have no means of stopping it? )
            When I go back I will have a quality fitted leather holster for my .44 mag revolver. There will be no retainer strap. I checked out a S&W 629 today, I think a 4" barrel model will do just fine.
            I would prefer to carry something much more powerful than a .44 Magnum.

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            • #7
              SantaCabinetguy
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2011
              • 15142

              All this arming up/protection/rosarys for Grizzlys lead me to believe I need an army to be around one.
              Hauoli Makahiki Hou


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              • #8
                kayaker
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 1011

                Bigger

                Originally posted by Tarn_Helm
                I would prefer to carry something much more powerful than a .44 Magnum.

                Ruger Alaskan

                S&W 500 Magnum (edited by me)
                I looked at a .500 S&W. Just too big to logically carry on a hike. The Ruger Alaskan while having a sorter barrel is still thick and heavy. IMHO the S&W has the right combination of size,weight and power.

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                • #9
                  kayaker
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 1011

                  Glacier N.P. is just about the most beautiful place that I have ever seen. I liked seeing all the wildlife in Yellowstone ( 3 Grizzlies, 2 Black bears, several wolves,Antelope, Elk, Deer etc. ) Yellowstone pales in comparison to the sheer beauty of Glacier N.P. We only saw 1 bear in Glacier but it was much more memorable!

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                  • #10
                    Oceanbob
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 12720

                    We always invite a neighbor who can't run as fast as I can.
                    May the Bridges I burn light the way.

                    Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.

                    Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).

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                    • #11
                      llamatrnr
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 4194

                      Carrying a large cowbell is also useful, in that you have the satisfaction of knowing that the bear is going to choke a little while he's eating you

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                      • #12
                        Iskra
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 513

                        All you need to know about bears:

                        Due to the frequency of human-bear encounters, the British Columbia Fish and Wildlife Branch is advising hikers, hunters, fishermen and any persons that use the out of doors in a recreational or work related function to take extra precautions while in the field.

                        We advise the outdoorsman to wear little noisy bells on clothing so as to give advanced warning to any bears that might be close by so you don’t take them by surprise.

                        We also advise anyone using the out-f-doors to carry “Pepper Spray” with him is case of an encounter with a bear.

                        Outdoorsmen should also be on the watch for fresh bear activity, and be able to tell the difference between black bear feces and grizzly bear feces. Black bear feces is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear s*** has bells in it and smells like pepper.
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                        • #13
                          JTROKS
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 13093

                          You got home safely, all is good. If that would have been a cub and a sow nearby then you would be utilizing what you have. Now you know what you can bump into and you are now reaching for a bigger gun. What if you run into a full grown grizzly? Is that 44 magnum stoked with 320 hardcast at 1250 fps enough to put an immediate stop to a charging grizzly?
                          The wise man said just find your place
                          In the eye of the storm
                          Seek the roses along the way
                          Just beware of the thorns...
                          K. Meine

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                          • #14
                            Moto4Fun
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 965

                            I don't know that there is anything you can do if a bear decides to attack you. Prevention is more worth the effort than arming up for a defense. But, by all means, carry what you can.

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                            • #15
                              kayaker
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1011

                              Is a 44 Mag enough?

                              The .44 Mag has proven it's worth, sure a larger caliber, .454 casul and .500 S&W have more power but they are just too much gun to lug around. By the way, the grizzly bears in Glacier and Yellowstone don't grow as big as the ones in Alaska, they don't get all that good salmon protein. A really big grizzly in Montana or Wyoming will be about 600 lbs. 2 of the bears we saw in Yellowstone were in the 300 lb. range.I saw one through my spotting scope at about 1200 yards away that a ranger told me is about a 600 pounder. Alaska Grizzlies go to 900 lbs. Brown bears as big as 1200 lbs.

                              Pick up one of those monster revolvers and try to imagine carrying one for a 10 mile hike!

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