tactical entry 2 VS mc operator

[leelaw]

I'd replace the magazines for either of those pistols, and donate the factory magazines to a poor starving (because they're saving up for that $1500 ar) college student

[civilsnake]

Damn that would be nice. If their warranty extends to accidental damage then yeah, it's a selling point.

[ZX-10R]

Go with the Kimber, buy American

Winner...Civilsnake made a great point...Lifetime warranty? You know something is wrong within the first 500 rounds or a 1000 for safe measure. None of my rifles and handguns had any issues at all the first year.

Kimber was on my list and I went Colt and am happy with my decision...SA was not on my list. Made in Brazil does not seem right especially for the money.

[AeroEngi]

Winner...Civilsnake made a great point...Lifetime warranty? You know something is wrong within the first 500 rounds or a 1000 for safe measure. None of my rifles and handguns had any issues at all the first year.

Kimber was on my list and I went Colt and am happy with my decision...SA was not on my list. Made in Brazil does not seem right especially for the money.

How about if the serial # starts with "NM" like the MC Operator? Assembled in the States...

[Paper Boy]

which one should i get looks like Kimber comes with better mags but the Mc operator looks pretty nice to does anybody have both or can somebody comment on either one of these?

Might as well start a .45 vs 9mm thread since your at it....


Personally I am not a fan of kimber, the ones my buddies have bought have all had feeding issues. I know some people will say its the mags, or they were never cleaned or what have you, but this is just my experience. One buddy even said "If my kimber even looks at a piece of dirt it jams" I ran one of my Springfields through gunsite and the dust and dirt of off roading and dirt biking all over AZ and never once had a jam.

Like I said just my experience, I am sure some people here have a Kimber that has never jammed but my friends guns have had issues. Go and shoot both, maybe you will like the feel of one more than the other...

[redcliff]

None of the MC Operators I'm aware of are stamped "Made in Brazil". The US govenment considers them made in US due to parts content % and labor performed, perhaps you should to.

The fact that the raw forgings with varying amounts of maching depending upon model are made in Brazil by Imbel which is one of the top arms producers in the world, personally bothers me not.

Most "American" automobiles contain 20% or more parts not made in the America. Our government considers parts made in "Canada" as being "American made" for % totals.

[AeroEngi]

None of the MC Operators I'm aware of are stamped "Made in Brazil". The US govenment considers them made in US due to parts content % and labor performed, perhaps you should to.

The fact that the raw forgings with varying amounts of maching depending upon model are made in Brazil by Imbel which is one of the top arms producers in the world, personally bothers me not.

Most "American" automobiles contain 20% or more parts not made in the America. Our government considers parts made in "Canada" as being "American made" for % totals.

Very well said!

[socal425]

None of the MC Operators I'm aware of are stamped "Made in Brazil". The US govenment considers them made in US due to parts content % and labor performed, perhaps you should to.

The fact that the raw forgings with varying amounts of maching depending upon model are made in Brazil by Imbel which is one of the top arms producers in the world, personally bothers me not.

Most "American" automobiles contain 20% or more parts not made in the America. Our government considers parts made in "Canada" as being "American made" for % totals.

Bingo! l love my MC Operator.

[BookerT]

As a Kimber owner, I would truly suggest getting the Springfield. Seriously, don't buy a Kimber. I've had mine for 2 months and it's already going back to them for barrel issues. Look up "kimber barrel ripples" or "kimber barrel issues" on google and you will know what I'm talking about, alot of people have had that RIDICULOUS issue.

If I could go back in time, I would have just plopped down the extra $1k and gotten a Les Baer or Wilson. If I was still looking to spend around 1k though I probably would have ended up with the MC Operator.

Don't buy into this "buy American" bull crap. Buy QUALITY, regardless of its origin.

And believe me, that lifetime warranty wont seem useless once your gun has a $300 issue 366 days into you owning it, I've seen it happen...

Bottom line, to answer your question, buy the Springfield.

Hope this helped.

[fullspeed1]

Booker, Your non issue in the Kimber barrel is called "ghosting or chattermarks", And it's prevelant with Kimber's barrel machining process. It has no effect on the pistols accuracy or performance at all.

[BookerT]

which one should i get looks like Kimber comes with better mags but the Mc operator looks pretty nice to does anybody have both or can somebody comment on either one of these?

Just so you know, calling the Kimber mags pieces of crap, is giving them a huge compliment.

[Cuda440]

As a Kimber owner, I would truly suggest getting the Springfield. Seriously, don't buy a Kimber. I've had mine for 2 months and it's already going back to them for barrel issues. Look up "kimber barrel ripples" or "kimber barrel issues" on google and you will know what I'm talking about, alot of people have had that RIDICULOUS issue.

If I could go back in time, I would have just plopped down the extra $1k and gotten a Les Baer or Wilson. If I was still looking to spend around 1k though I probably would have ended up with the MC Operator.

Don't buy into this "buy American" bull crap. Buy QUALITY, regardless of its origin.

And believe me, that lifetime warranty wont seem useless once your gun has a $300 issue 366 days into you owning it, I've seen it happen...

Bottom line, to answer your question, buy the Springfield.

Hope this helped.

apparently, you haven't seen this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...27s+wrong+1911

Kimber barrels may get small ripples, but Springfield barrels fall apart.

The locking lugs on your barrel slam against the matching lugs on the slide every time the gun fires. If your gun locks up tight, you will probably develop these ripples eventually, even more so if you have a stainless barrel. That's the design of the 1911, the manufacturer doesn't make a difference.

It's obvious that condemning all Kimbers because you got barrel ghosting doesn't make sense, just as it doesn't make sense to condemn all Springfields over a broken barrel.

Both weapons are quality pieces, and both come with junk mags. You'll be fine with either choice. Personally, I would support the American made and manufactured Kimber, not the Brazilian made, assembled in US Springfield. Plain and simple- Kimber employes more Americans, and the money stays in the American economy, which is exactly what this country needs right now.

[Untamed1972]

Did Springfield ever make an OD green operator w/o the rail on it?

[Plisk]

I've owned my MC Operator for over 2 years now. I've never been disappointed in it and Springfield's Warranty work on it was outstanding. I discovered about 1100 rounds into it that there was a casting bubble in the frame right on the feed ramp! Springfield was able to fully repair my exsiting frame without having to replace it. That process took some significant skill to accomplish. Quality products backed by quality service.

I've personally dealt with very good and some bad from Kimber. I've played with a Raptor II quite a bit and I am thoroughly impressed by Kimber's higher end models. It's Coke and Pepsi, and I'm a Coke guy.

[qaz5109]

wow thanks for all the replies MC sounds like the choice ill just have to buy better mags maybe wilson ??