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  • daybreak
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 1735

    XD9, G17, M&P9, CZ75 comparisons

    So I have an XD9 and i've been shopping for a new 9mm. In the runnings are a G17, an M&P 9, and a SP-01. I've shot the G17 many times and I shoot it well. Today I rented the M&P 9 and a CZ75 and shot it side by side with my XD9.

    XD9
    The only pistol I own. Feels good in the hand and i'm accurate with it, but it shoots high and I have to aim at a generous 6 o clock hold. The trigger pull is a little long, but I like it. I like the placement of the controls and I can activate everything easily. It's also worth noting that it's the slimmest feeling out of itself, the G17 and the M&P9 (with medium strap). I've put 1000 rounds through it with zero malfunctions of any kind. I trust it with my life, but would like something that I don't have to give such a generous 6 o clock POA.
    VERDICT: Feels great in the hand, but I don't like how low I have to aim in order to hit my target. I am probably the least accurate with this gun than all the others compared here.

    M&P 9
    I know everybody raves about the ergonomics of this gun, but I just did not like how it felt in my hand. The palm swells felt weird to me. Granted, I was only able to shoot it and fondle it with just the medium palm swells, so maybe the large or small would feel better. But with the medium ... the gun felt awkward in my hands. I wanted to like how it felt, I really did, but I just didn't.
    Accuracy-wise however, I was shooting it better than my XD9. My XD9 I always shoot high, and I have to shoot with a generous 6 o clock POA. The M&P however my POA was my POI. I was accurate with the gun, about as accurate as I am with a glock 17. The trigger felt fine and felt like it broke with less lbs/force than a glock. But the palm swells just felt weird in my hand, they felt like they bulged into them too much. I also don't like that the going rate for the mags seem to be +- $49. They also seem a little hard to come by.
    VERDICT: Feels weird, but shoots well (better than my XD9), will give it another good fondling with the small and large straps next chance I get.

    CZ75
    It's true what you're all saying, CZs are just damn accurate. At 7 yards I could put them all in a quarter sized grouping, which is really good for me and far better than I was shooting the M&P and XD. The CZ both feels great in the hand, and shoots well. The controls are a little funky for me, as I can't comfortable action the slide release without modifying my grip (the safety gets in the way). I had 3 FTFs while shooting the rental gun, which was notably dirty.
    VERDICT: Feels very comfortable in the hand, most accurate 9mm i've ever shot, controls aren't placed well for me, and i'm concerned about the FTFs but i'll cut it some slack on the account of it being a rental gun.

    G17
    I have always shot it well, I personally like the stock U-shaped rear sight, and it both feels good in the hand and shoots POA->POI. I like the placement of the controls and I can activate them easily. I like glock's track record and my girlfriend also shoots a glock 19, so I like that she'll be familiar with the G17 and she'll be able to use my mags if the need should arise. A lot of people prefer M&Ps ergonomics over the glock, but I guess i'm just not one of those people.
    Verdict: I like the glock, it's ergos, it's availability of parts and mags, and I shoot it well.

    So all things considered, I will probably be buying a glock 17. I really really wanted to love the M&P, and while I shot it well, it just didn't feel as ergo to me as it does everyone else. I'll give it a good fondling with the small strap and large strap next time, but considering that I think glocks feel more ergo, there's no reason for me to go M&P.

    I'll be looking into an SP-01 in the future, because hot damn you guys aren't lying, they are sweet shooting and accurate. If I didn't have 3 FTFs, my next purchase might have been a CZ. Granted, it was a rental gun. But for now I just trust polymer pistols more as far as reliability.

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    zfields
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2010
    • 13658

    Originally posted by daybreak
    ondling with the small and large straps next chance I get.

    CZ75
    It's true what you're all saying, CZs are just damn accurate. At 7 yards I could put them all in a quarter sized grouping, which is really good for me and far better than I was shooting the M&P and XD. The CZ both feels great in the hand, and shoots well. The controls are a little funky for me, as I can't comfortable action the slide release without modifying my grip (the safety gets in the way). I had 3 FTFs while shooting the rental gun, which was notably dirty.
    VERDICT: Feels very comfortable in the hand, most accurate 9mm i've ever shot, controls aren't placed well for me, and i'm concerned about the FTFs but i'll cut it some slack on the account of it being a rental gun.

    .
    Its not a slide release, its a slide lock.


    Actually, on all the guns you listed, they are not meant to be put into battery using the slide stop.



    Sorry to nitpick : )
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    • #3
      daybreak
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 1735

      no worries, i appreciate the clarification.

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      • #4
        zfields
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2010
        • 13658

        I also wonder if the gun you shot has mecgar/oem mags or promag garbage.
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          daybreak
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 1735

          yeah unfortunately I did not know to check what mags they were.

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          • #6
            gorenut
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 3072

            My experiences are very similar to the yours OP.

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            • #7
              Blackhawk556
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 4189

              I've actually owned all of those guns at one point. Look at my avatar and you'll see what I own. The two guns that I sold were the xd and the g17. The reason I sold the g17 was because the ergos sucked big time and I couldn't hit anything. You said you liked the U sights on the g17 but I actually hated it, I prefer the three dot sight. Once I sold the g17 I picked up a XDm. I just found out about the whole 6 o'clock hold with xd/m, I wish I would have known this a long time ago because my confidence with the XDm went down since I thought the gun was not accurate (I should have read manual). The grip on the xdm is much better than the g17 and I like the 3dot sights that are included with it. The next gun I sold was the XD, I used the funds and purchased the CZ 75 sp-01. If I was to recommend a gun out of all these, it would be the sp-01. Sure it's heavy, but damn it makes me smile everytime I take it to the range. No problems whatsoever. I highly recommend you try the M&P with different back straps. I own the compact 9mm and it shoots extremely well. Every time I held a fullsize at the store with the medium back stap, it felt awkward as well. Last week I finally tried one with the small back strap and damn!! What a difference. Of all these guns, the G17 has the worst grip and the one I'm happy I sold. Was the G17 reliable??? Hell yes!! Was it for me?? Hell no! I don't think I'll ever buy a glock again.
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              • #8
                Newshooter
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 1171

                Where are you located? I ask because one of the shops in the Sacramento area has a screaming deal on the M&P line right now.

                When I was looking at pistols, I looked at the same guns you did. I did not like the grip of the glock, I bought and sold an XD and I ended up with the M&P9. I use the small backstrap and it fits my hand perfectly. I have shot around 1,000 rounds through my gun without a FTE/FTF.

                With that said, my next purchase is either going to be a CZ or a Sig depending on funds. The CZ's are REALLY nice!!

                Good luck on your hunt.

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                • #9
                  Blackhawk556
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 4189

                  ^^^Anything below $499 is a screaming deal on M&Ps. How much are they selling them for??? $519 In Fresno all day, that's why I ask.
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                  • #10
                    daybreak
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 1735

                    Originally posted by Newshooter
                    Where are you located? I ask because one of the shops in the Sacramento area has a screaming deal on the M&P line right now.

                    When I was looking at pistols, I looked at the same guns you did. I did not like the grip of the glock, I bought and sold an XD and I ended up with the M&P9. I use the small backstrap and it fits my hand perfectly. I have shot around 1,000 rounds through my gun without a FTE/FTF.

                    With that said, my next purchase is either going to be a CZ or a Sig depending on funds. The CZ's are REALLY nice!!

                    Good luck on your hunt.
                    Thanks Newshooter. I live in LA but I frequently work and visit my family in the bay area.

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                    • #11
                      daybreak
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 1735

                      Originally posted by Blackhawk556
                      I've actually owned all of those guns at one point. Look at my avatar and you'll see what I own. The two guns that I sold were the xd and the g17. The reason I sold the g17 was because the ergos sucked big time and I couldn't hit anything. You said you liked the U sights on the g17 but I actually hated it, I prefer the three dot sight. Once I sold the g17 I picked up a XDm. I just found out about the whole 6 o'clock hold with xd/m, I wish I would have known this a long time ago because my confidence with the XDm went down since I thought the gun was not accurate (I should have read manual). The grip on the xdm is much better than the g17 and I like the 3dot sights that are included with it. The next gun I sold was the XD, I used the funds and purchased the CZ 75 sp-01. If I was to recommend a gun out of all these, it would be the sp-01. Sure it's heavy, but damn it makes me smile everytime I take it to the range. No problems whatsoever. I highly recommend you try the M&P with different back straps. I own the compact 9mm and it shoots extremely well. Every time I held a fullsize at the store with the medium back stap, it felt awkward as well. Last week I finally tried one with the small back strap and damn!! What a difference. Of all these guns, the G17 has the worst grip and the one I'm happy I sold. Was the G17 reliable??? Hell yes!! Was it for me?? Hell no! I don't think I'll ever buy a glock again.
                      Thanks for the input blackhawk. I will definitely try out the M&P with the other backstraps. I am also extremely interested in shooting one with an apex DCAEK trigger.

                      I feel like I will own all of them by the end of the year, I just can't decide which to buy for my birthday.

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                      • #12
                        Capt Jack
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 1046

                        Awesome post! Its funny, I'm going to do the same thing with basically the same guns next week. A local gun shop lets you rent handguns for free to try out if you buy one there. They have all the usual suspects so even though the guns are not discounted I feel its worth paying a bit more to get a gun I shoot well versus buying one blindly.

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                        • #13
                          Blackhawk556
                          Veteran Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 4189

                          I'm on my phone right now so I can't see where you're from but if you're near Fresno, ill let you shoot any of my guns so you can make a better decision. Just bring new ammo NOT reloads, and shoot away. I currently have the m&p9 full size and compact, sp-01, And the xdm9 4.5". If you're interested let me know.
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                          • #14
                            Legasat
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                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4151

                            All 3 palm swells on the M&P feel totally different. Try them all.

                            With that said, you have to choose the right handgun for YOU. All of the ones you listed are reliable. Now pick the one YOU shoot the best, feels the best....for YOU.
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                            • #15
                              railroader
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 3115

                              Daybreak, on your xd shooting high you can fix that. Springfield has different height rear sights. I had an xd that shot high and I fixed it with a sig front sight which is the same dovetail cut. Here's some info on xd sights. http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/sa-xd-x...t-heights.html Mark

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