Glock 20 Questions

[inspectorjj]

If I want to shoot hotter loads such as Double Tap or Buffalo Bore, do I need a heavier guide rod and spring?

If so, what poundage would you suggest? (I believe the stock spring is 17 lbs.)

With the same status as above, would I need a different barrel?

If so, what brand would you suggest? (Lone Wolf, Bar-Sto..etc)

Also, I plan on using my Glock 20 for home protection and as a hunting sidearm for hog and deer hunting. What type of upgrades would be beneficial to me and why?

Thanks in advance for your combined knowledge.

[El Gato]

If I want to shoot hotter loads such as Double Tap or Buffalo Bore, do I need a heavier guide rod and spring?

If so, what poundage would you suggest? (I believe the stock spring is 17 lbs.)

With the same status as above, would I need a different barrel?

If so, what brand would you suggest? (Lone Wolf, Bar-Sto..etc)

Also, I plan on using my Glock 20 for home protection and as a hunting sidearm for hog and deer hunting. What type of upgrades would be beneficial to me and why?

Thanks in advance for your combined knowledge.

put a good set of night sights on it and spend your money shooting it...
buy a conversion barrel for 40 sw so you can shoot it more...

shoot something with a full house 180 gr load and the stock spring and be happy...as long as you shoot it good... I mean really good like in the center of what needs to be shot whilst it is moving good... not somewhere on the paper good but Heart Lung good on an animal what is trying to rip your ankles up... good... like while you are moving and it is moving and then kick the range out to 50 yards and learn to shoot it really really good...mine will do 3 in at 50 yds with the silvertip factory load which is what I would use to shoot goblins.. and the hornady full power 180 for 4 legged dinner on the hoof sort of stuff...or corbon dpx for condor zones...etc..

silvertips for home defense work really well and don't over penetrate like some others and are cheaper than the corbon and double tap I believe...
been carrying one for years with silvertips and am a happy camper...

[Oceanbob]

Good questions

If I want to shoot hotter loads such as Double Tap or Buffalo Bore, do I need a heavier guide rod and spring?

If so, what poundage would you suggest? (I believe the stock spring is 17 lbs.)

With the same status as above, would I need a different barrel?

If so, what brand would you suggest? (Lone Wolf, Bar-Sto..etc)

Also, I plan on using my Glock 20 for home protection and as a hunting sidearm for hog and deer hunting. What type of upgrades would be beneficial to me and why?

Thanks in advance for your combined knowledge.

First...come visit us in the 10 Ring. A mostly Glock 20/29 Forum.!

http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38

You can run the normal barrel and spring shooting Double Tap and Buffalo Bore. It works fine, don't fix it.

If you decide to run some fast moving lead, then get a Lonewolf Barrel. I would say Lonewolf first, KKM second, Stormlake third. This is based on experience of myself and others on the 10 Ring. (price is also a consideration; nothing beats Lonewolf)

You can bump up the recoil spring if you're really shooting hot loads (for hunting). I run a 20 pounder for my handloads that push 600 foot pounds and up. Available here: (the Yellow one)

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/336_Featured+Items/7545_Stainless+Steel+Competition+Recoil+Spring+for+Glocks/?return=%3f

My first choice for additions on a GLOCK 20 would be a good set of night sights. Personally I really like my Tru-glo tritium/fiber optic sites....they work for me.

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/4_Sights+and+Lasers/7465_Truglo+TritiumFiber+Optic+Sights/?return=%3ftpl%3Dindex%26category_id%3D4%26_Sights%2Band%2BLasers%2F

They are easy to line up and can be seen day or night. You will need a site pusher to install the rear site.

Have fun...I love the 10MM Glocks and own 5 of them.



A Glock 29 also with the Tru Glo sites...

[inspectorjj]

Thanks guys, very good information. I believe that I will go up to the 20 lb. spring. My Glock 20 will be serving the 10 day sentence starting Saturday. It already has the night sights. I already have a Glock 19 but I'm foaming at the mouth waiting to shoot this beast.

Very impressive photos Oceanbob. I will check out the 10 ring forum.

[Oceanbob]

Thanks guys, very good information. I believe that I will go up to the 20 lb. spring. My Glock 20 will be serving the 10 day sentence starting Saturday. It already has the night sights. I already have a Glock 19 but I'm foaming at the mouth waiting to shoot this beast.

Very impressive photos Oceanbob. I will check out the 10 ring forum.

Thanks....I am sure you will love the GLOCK 20. Really, if you had to pick one weapon to take-care-of-business in all situations, the GLOCK 20 would be my first choice as a get-home-weapon.

Run the normal spring for a while. It works just fine. If you're going to spend a bit of money, get an extended slide release.

Consider reloading as well. Reloading really opens up a wide range of possibilities with the 10MM round.

Glock 29s one with a stormlake barrel, the other with a lonewolf barrel

[inspectorjj]

Working on the road like I do, it would be very hard to get into reloading. If I ever get back home to Texas, not only would I consider reloading, I would consider other firearm accessory opportunities not available to me in California.
My Glock 19:

[cineski]

Go with the 22 lb spring. Get the ISMI spring and captured steel guide rod. Glockparts.com has them. I started with the 20 and it wasn't enough and ended up with the 22 lb and am much happier. The stock guide rod is meant for 40sw power level ammo. With full house loads, the slide moves way too fast and slams into the frame too much for my taste. Also, the beauty of 10mm is that you can use different loads for different applications. I'd go with either a SWC style 200 grain bullet from either DT or Swamp Fox or a 200 grain XTP for the woods. For home you can lighten up. I've read the DPX from Corbon is a stellar performer and in the 10mm brings the power level down closer to 40 levels which is possibly preferable for home defense.

Otherwise leave your Glock stock.

Thanks guys, very good information. I believe that I will go up to the 20 lb. spring. My Glock 20 will be serving the 10 day sentence starting Saturday. It already has the night sights. I already have a Glock 19 but I'm foaming at the mouth waiting to shoot this beast.

Very impressive photos Oceanbob. I will check out the 10 ring forum.

[hill billy]

I am a commercial reloader and sell hot 10mm. In my experience, a stronger recoil spring and rod make a world of difference. Hotter loads make it easy to feel the slide battering the frame at the back of it's stroke. Hot load will also cause the brass to fly 20ft or more. I run a 23 in my personal Glock 20's and I think a 21 in my Glock 29.

Additionally, hot loads tend to bulge more in factory barrels. While I have not seen this bulge to be a problem in later pistols, in earlier pistols it causes enough of a bulge that a normal resizing die does not get it all out and the cases need to be run through a push through die like the Redding Gr-x die. An aftermarket barrel eliminates the problem caused by hot loads and makes shooting loads that match the original Norma specs a breeze without wrecking your brass.

[inspectorjj]

@Hill Billy and Cineski

Do you have problems with the heavier spring not ejecting the lesser powerful brass, or do you only shoot hot loads? Additionally Hill Billy, I sent you a PM concerning ammo.

My goal is to utilize one ammo that is kick *** for home defense and as a hunting sidearm that will take down a cougar, wild hog, or deer, not necessarily in that order. So far, the Buffalo Bore 180 gr. JHP at 1350 FPS is what I have found that will take care of business. See field results below and let me know if I am on the right track.

http://www.youtube.com/user/drsjr1969#p/u/8/MLHOejboDGU

I grew up in the swamps of SW Louisiana and SE Texas. I'm planning on going back after a long absence. I was considered an expert marksman so I am not ignorant to firearms. I'm just ignorant to Glock 20s and 10 mm, but my research for what I want led me to this.

[hill billy]

I got your PM, I just didn't have time to call until tomorrow. BB makes some good stuff. I have tried hard to get what I sell to match Double Tap and BB at a lower price.

I have had no issues with my heavier springs not ejecting lighter loads but in truth, I have never shot factory 10mm through them. Only downloaded stuff I made. I could see where you might have some issues with factory loads that tend to be super light.

[cineski]

I have not used it with lower power loads. I've read from others that it will work just fine. Although that's what the stock spring can be used for so keep that laying around. Also another reason to go with the captured guide rod so you can change it out easily and quickly. With the 20 lb spring, brass was still flying 15 feet and with the 200 grain SWC from DT the slide was still moving too fast for my tastes. FWIW, the 22 lb spring doesn't feel any different than the 20 lb in terms of cycling the slide manually.

BTW, I saw a test with the Buffalo Bore 180 gold dot and the jacket separated because it was moving too fast. There is such thing as pushing a bullet too fast for its design. Also take note, BB is now using crap Montana Gold hp's in their 180 grain offering. They're still charging a ton for them despite the bullets are cheaper. I would skip those entirely and get the 220 grain hard cast or check out any offerings of the Barnes solid brass bullets. Buffalo Bore has one but I'd personally want to do a thorough ballistics test to make sure the bullet can handle those speeds. And since BB is in the business of bullet swapping (like DT was for a while) I'd make sure the round you get has the bullet you want. Also check out Swamp Fox.

[inspectorjj]

Cineski, I took your advice on the 22 lb. spring and stainless guiderod through the Glock Store. I searched for the Swamp Fox ammo and it seems there is no more site. I plan on using my factory barrel with the two boxes of Buffalo Bore that I ordered. Based on info that I got from Oceanbob, I will inspect the primers and casings and determine if I need a new barrel. If so, what barrel would be recommended?

[Oceanbob]

Cineski, I took your advice on the 22 lb. spring and stainless guiderod through the Glock Store. I searched for the Swamp Fox ammo and it seems there is no more site. I plan on using my factory barrel with the two boxes of Buffalo Bore that I ordered. Based on info that I got from Oceanbob, I will inspect the primers and casings and determine if I need a new barrel. If so, what barrel would be recommended?

Yes..Swampfox is still around but Mike (the owner) never has anything in Stock. A surefire recipe for failure

http://www.swampfoxgunworks.com/swampfox/

Bullalo Bore is highly respected by 10MM shooters. Double Tap, just OK...not as respected because the claimed speeds just don't reflect reality.

This man has tested Every Available 10MM bullet and posted it on YouTube.

You will be surprised that most of the claimed speeds are not true.

Here is his channel. Really a must view before buying ammo..!

http://www.youtube.com/user/drsjr1969

His 600 foot pound club...all the ammo that was up to snuff is here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/drsjr1969#p/u/9/aFKJED-72qE

That 22 pound spring will work just fine. Some weak range ammo might not run 100% but all the defense ammo will work. I keep the stock spring in my range bag for range ammo.

Be well
Bob

[inspectorjj]

Bob, I have viewed all of that guy's videos on the chronograph results. That is why I chose Buffalo Bore. I tried the Swamp Fox link and it doesn't work. I would like to try some of the stuff that Hill Billy has. What he states on his link is above 1300 fps. of velocity at 180 grs. That would translate to around 700 lbs. of energy. This is the area that I would like to stay at.

[r3dn3ck]

First...come visit us in the 10 Ring. A mostly Glock 20/29 Forum.!

http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38

You can run the normal barrel and spring shooting Double Tap and Buffalo Bore. It works fine, don't fix it.

If you decide to run some fast moving lead, then get a Lonewolf Barrel. I would say Lonewolf first, KKM second, Stormlake third. This is based on experience of myself and others on the 10 Ring. (price is also a consideration; nothing beats Lonewolf)

You can bump up the recoil spring if you're really shooting hot loads (for hunting). I run a 20 pounder for my handloads that push 600 foot pounds and up. Available here: (the Yellow one)

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/336_Featured+Items/7545_Stainless+Steel+Competition+Recoil+Spring+for+Glocks/?return=%3f

My first choice for additions on a GLOCK 20 would be a good set of night sights. Personally I really like my Tru-glo tritium/fiber optic sites....they work for me.

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/4_Sights+and+Lasers/7465_Truglo+TritiumFiber+Optic+Sights/?return=%3ftpl%3Dindex%26category_id%3D4%26_Sights%2Band%2BLasers%2F

They are easy to line up and can be seen day or night. You will need a site pusher to install the rear site.

Have fun...I love the 10MM Glocks and own 5 of them.



A Glock 29 also with the Tru Glo sites...

+1 except for night sights. White outline is sufficient for my tastes. Everything else though is a great idea.

I have a 20 and .40S&W, 9x25 dillon and .357sig barrels for it. The 9x25 haven't shot yet. The 357sig is stout, the .40 is mild. Hot 10's are a handful. I'm told the 9x25 makes hot 10's seem gentle. G20 is the best of both worlds, you can have oddball hot as snot calibres or common as dirt calibres in the same gun, same mags, same recoil spring.