IDPA help

[elsolo]

Your budget of $1500-$3000 is awesome!

I see others' pistols are somewhat equivalent to their ability. Similar to paintball guns. Rarely do I see people with nice guns that can't shoot.

I see it all the time, in fact every single USPSA, steel plate, and IDPA match I have been to. Guys shooting $4000+ S_I's, with no hope of getting out of C-class. Writing the check is the easy part, earning the skills has no shortcuts.


Back to the original topic:
I bought a 1911 for use in matches before I had shot many matches, it seemed like a logical choice. what a waste. I went back to the only other handgun I owned at the time, a CZ-75. Several years later when I wore out that CZ, I could have replaced it with anything, but I got another CZ. I don't think a custom gun would have earned me a GM card in USPSA any sooner.

You have a suitable handgun that you allready say fits you well.
What the heck is driving your perceived need for a 1911?

[Wulf]

What the heck is driving your perceived need for a 1911?

The Gunsmith's and after market parts manufacturer's boat payments.

[PLINK]

Maybe they run them like that because IDPA is a game.

I don't understand why people who want to be competive in a game are called gamers.

[Timberland]

Any .45 can be used in esp, just only load 8 rounds. Ya a $3000 budget is pretty nice, but if you want to spend that much get an Ipsic(ispic?) and go all out race, that is a lot more fast pased than idpa, plus it has less wierd penelties. Ive been screwed by stupit peneleties. O ya anayone else going to IDPA sac valley on sunday?

[PLINK]

O ya anayone else going to IDPA sac valley on sunday?

I am 99% sure I will be there.

[Gryff]

lot more fast pased than idpa, plus it has less wierd penelties. Ive been screwed by stupit peneleties.

The IDPA penalties aren't weird. There is a justification for every one of them, but not everyone agrees with the reasoning. Some do, some don't. But they weren't created because one guy who made them based on his arbitrary whims.

If you understand the justification, then the rules make sense. Doesn't mean I'm going to take the time to stow a partially empty mag during a real fight, but then again, it isn't a completely useless skill to possess.

The problems start when people used to the IPSC way of "do it as fast as you can figure out how to" come over to IDPA. A lot of them don't embrace that it is less about problem-solving a stage and more about the plain mechanics of shooting fast from specified positions.

To me, both sports rock, but they operate under different philosophies. Accept the philosophies and everything makes sense.

Jim

[elsolo]

The IDPA penalties aren't weird. There is a justification for every one of them, but not everyone agrees with the reasoning. Some do, some don't. But they weren't created because one guy who made them based on his arbitrary whims.

Weird might be a bad choice of words. Difficult to enforce objectively and open to abuse by RO's that have a personal dislike for shooters from other disciplines is my main complaint.
"You shot that too fast, I don't think you were behind enough conceilment. If you disagree than I'll give you a FTDR."

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought IDPA was based on the whims of the founder. Do they have a elected leadership comprised of regional directors, and a discussion period for feedback from members before adopting rules changes?

[Gryff]

Weird might be a bad choice of words. Difficult to enforce objectively and open to abuse by RO's that have a personal dislike for shooters from other disciplines is my main complaint.
"You shot that too fast, I don't think you were behind enough conceilment. If you disagree than I'll give you a FTDR."

Range Nazi. Just look at him and feel bad that his wife/mother only let him have his Man Card back infrequently.

Also note that good Safety Officers acknowledge that the ability to "game" a course comes from poor course design. If it is possible to game it, then by all means, game it. It's a freakin' sport, not Parris Island. Anybody who thinks IDPA isn't, first and foremost, a sport is a mall ninja.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought IDPA was based on the whims of the founder. Do they have a elected leadership comprised of regional directors, and a discussion period for feedback from members before adopting rules changes?

Nope. IDPA was founded by a group of people, including Bill Wilson, John Sayle, Ken Hackathorn, Walt Rauch and Larry Vickers. It wasn't just one person making it all up.

Additionally, when the 2005 rule changes came down the pipe, club presidents and Area Coordinators provided much of the input for the proposed changes. Then, the general membership were invited to comment before the changes were formally implemented.

To date, Bill Wilson is the driving force behind the sport, and makes sure that it stays true to the original design. Basically a benign despot, but he's doing a decent job despite the criticism he receives for his efforts.

-Jim

[3GunFunShooter]

At Sac Valley IDPA I have never, in 6 years got a penalty for something I did not deserve. Did I question one or 2 of the calls? Yes, but once we looked up the rules, they were fair calls. And yes I am a Gamer, and proud of it.
In ESP you can load up 10 + 1 in a 45. Best gamer gun for old guys, XD or Para, 45 cal. 5" loaded with minor loads. You can see the holes, don't have to take extra shots like I do with a 9MM.

[elsolo]

IDPA was founded by a group of people, including Bill Wilson, John Sayle, Ken Hackathorn, Walt Rauch and Larry Vickers. It wasn't just one person making it all up.

Additionally, when the 2005 rule changes came down the pipe, club presidents and Area Coordinators provided much of the input for the proposed changes. Then, the general membership were invited to comment before the changes were formally implemented.

To date, Bill Wilson is the driving force behind the sport, and makes sure that it stays true to the original design. Basically a benign despot, but he's doing a decent job despite the criticism he receives for his efforts.

-Jim

Thanks for the facts.
I was under the impression that IDPA was founded by Wilson, and he still reigns as the current dictator


I know there are range nazis in all the action pistol games, but around here they seem to make IDPA their home moreso than the other sports.

[Gryff]

I know there are range nazis in all the action pistol games, but around here they seem to make IDPA their home moreso than the other sports.

You know, the irony is that both sports have had some poor showings in the way of tolerance for each other. I shoot a LOT of IDPA, and I find that there are some chuckles about the "space guns" and "run and gun" of IPSC, but there is a general level of respect for the sport among IDPA shooters.

On the other hand, at the first largish match that I shot for IPSC, I was disgusted by the number of people who made negative and derogatory comments about IDPA. I wore an IDPA match t-shirt during the competition, and so many people told me "I shouldn't be here" that I almost made the decision to never shoot IPSC again.

The sad thing is that there are little people who think that things in which they choose to participate are God's Gift, and their fragile egos are threatened by anyone who likes things that are a related but different. Both of these sports are fantastic, as are PPC, Steel Challenge, and Bianchi Cup. We are lucky that these are available to us, especially here in California, and we shouldn't get pissy that some people prefer one over the other.

Instead of bad mouthing each other, these morons should be congratulating one another for getting out and doing it, regardless of the differences. But one must never underestimate the power of human stupidity, and realize that the morons are going to be out there occasionally. Ignore them. Shoot fast. Spend too much money on ammo and guns. Have fun.

-Jim

[elsolo]

Very well said