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  • S. Wong
    Junior Member
    • May 2011
    • 38

    Single Stack CCW/home defense

    I'm new to the single stack single action, but I fired a Government 1911 a while ago, and really enjoyed the experience.

    I've decided to sell my fat DA/SA 92FS Brigadier, and I'd love to get a 1911 for the goal of CCW.

    Issues:
    1. California Database. I know I just follow the rules, but it really limits what I can look at, and there's no easy way to pull the 1911-style weapons out of their 1300 line database.


    2. Safeties. I really like a manual safety, and I prefer a grip safety as well. I've used my friend's XD9 which has both trigger and grip safety, but I don't like the feel of the trigger. I want the trigger to only drop the hammer.

    3. Size, Gun. I've got a 5" full size Beretta right now, and I can't imagine carrying it concealed. Its not only quite large, in thickness and in length, but also fairly heavy at 32 oz. I was thinking that a thin ~4" would be much, much better.

    4. Cost, Gun. I have a limited budget, but that's helped by whatever I can get for the Beretta. I can't afford a $1000+ firearm for occasional range time and house. The target is $500-800

    5. Cost, Ammo. I'd like to use cheap 9mm, but all the 1911 9mm, if they're in the PRC "permitted" list are quite expensive... so that looks like its out.
    The standard .45 acp I prefer for defense, so maybe its for the best. I'll just have to eat the fact that its expensive every time I use it.

    6. Extras. I'd love to have Tritium Novak sights and Crimson Trace grips, but I know that I can't afford it at this time. Maybe get the basics, and upgrade later?

    So what I'm looking for is help/advice/brands to look at within these criteria, and any experiences.

    Thank you all for your help.
    -Steven
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    BigBamBoo
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2008
    • 5215

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    It makes it bigger and longer.

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    • #3
      vega
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 2972

      Where are you located?
      There's one for sale within your budget.

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      • #4
        Rocket Man
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 513

        Welcome SWong,

        There are legal ways around the silly Cal roster gun list, so don't let that limit your search.

        Not sure of your location but if your up in NorCal try out Valkyrie Arms in Milpitas, I drive two hrs to do biz with them to get treated right AND get the guns I want (meaning off roster). Also they have a couple $500 1911's there.

        BullsEye in San Rafael is great to go rent & try out different guns (bring a friend to rent).

        Good luck on your search
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        • #5
          vega
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 2972

          Yeah and welcome to the forum!

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          • #6
            S. Wong
            Junior Member
            • May 2011
            • 38

            Thanks for the welcome. I'm in the San Francisco East Bay, and work in Fremont. I'll check out Valkarie, never heard of them. I bought my Brigadier at Target Arms, also in Milpitas, and the process was thorough, but very slow.

            I know about 1911s as single stacks, are there any other models I should consider?

            Again, thanks,
            -Steven

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            • #7
              Cyc Wid It
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 4485

              Targetmasters is terrible. Maybe the Sig P225/P6's would be another alternative that is single stack and fits easily within your budget. Either way, cost of ammo is going to dwarf the cost of the gun eventually.
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              • #8
                lowend65
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 512

                I love my Springfield EMP
                Yeah - it's about $1000, but the 9mm cost vs 45ACP will pay for itself in short order.

                I don't think there is a better CCW gun out there
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                • #9
                  abechira
                  Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 150

                  Originally posted by S. Wong
                  Thanks for the welcome. I'm in the San Francisco East Bay, and work in Fremont. I'll check out Valkarie, never heard of them. I bought my Brigadier at Target Arms, also in Milpitas, and the process was thorough, but very slow.

                  I know about 1911s as single stacks, are there any other models I should consider?

                  Again, thanks,
                  -Steven
                  How the hell you going to get a CCW in that town? Do you have a price on your head by the mob?

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                  • #10
                    ICONIC
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 1223

                    sig p220 is a great single stack. I have a springfield armory loaded in a commander style that would be my carry gun if i go a ccw. I wouldnt worry too much about the roster, you can get pretty much any handgun (except a taurus judge) in this state.
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                    • #11
                      Tiberius
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 1160

                      Lots of folks CCW 1911s, but lots of other folks think they're on the big and heavy side. Your Beretta is bigger, but maybe not a lot bigger.

                      You might look at a CZ Rami - a pocket-sized (or so) 9mm. I think its DA/SA, tho, so if you're all about SA only maybe its a no-go. You can poke around here for mixed reviews of the Ruger LC9. The Springfield EMP is a tiny 1911-ish gun, tho pricey. And I think the Sig 238 or 239 is a SA, again like a mini 1911, tho I'm not sure of the caliber - it could be a .380.

                      Just to give the ritual Calguns response: don't sell your Beretta - buy something else to keep it company.

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                      • #12
                        Rocket Man
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 513

                        Originally posted by lowend65
                        I love my Springfield EMP
                        Yeah - it's about $1000, but the 9mm cost vs 45ACP will pay for itself in short order.

                        I don't think there is a better CCW gun out there
                        Amen brother!!!! EMP guy here too!
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                        • #13
                          Dhena81
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 4587

                          HK P7M8 would be a great CCW gun its over your budget a bit there's one on gunbroker for 1100 right now. What about a Sig P239 single stack no thumb safety about $650 if you want to go smaller Kahr PM9. Other than that you'll probably going to have to single shot to get what you want.

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                          • #14
                            Q619
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1223

                            Reload! I spend about .16 cents a round shooting lead SWC versus .50 cents a round if you buy from a gun shop or .38 cents if you buy online. I shoot .45 for cheaper than walmart 9mm! Realistically you won't save any money, you'll just shoot more with the money you DO have. I shoot about 1,000 rounds a month. Spending the same money on gunshop ammo I'd be down to 300 rounds. No thanks!!!!

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                            • #15
                              GuillermoAntonio
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1525

                              Originally posted by Q619
                              Reload! I spend about .16 cents a round shooting lead SWC versus .50 cents a round if you buy from a gun shop or .38 cents if you buy online. I shoot .45 for cheaper than walmart 9mm! Realistically you won't save any money, you'll just shoot more with the money you DO have. I shoot about 1,000 rounds a month. Spending the same money on gunshop ammo I'd be down to 300 rounds. No thanks!!!!
                              Very interesting numbers, may I ask, how much do you have invested in your reloading equipment?
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