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  • annie c. oakley
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 16

    CA legal?

    Is a 1975 Colt .22lr/.22mag New Frontier CA legal?
    Thank you in advance for your insight
    Anne
  • #2
    Baconator
    Bacon makes it better
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2009
    • 9547

    What do you mean by Cali legal?

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    • #3
      ke6guj
      Moderator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      Originally posted by annie c. oakley
      Is a 1975 Colt .22lr/.22mag New Frontier CA legal?
      Thank you in advance for your insight
      Anne
      run it through the handgun flowchart and it'll tell you if it is legal to possess in CA, http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
      Jack



      Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

      No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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      • #4
        Cokebottle
        Señor Member
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        There is a difference between "legal" and "on the roster"

        Many people believe that if a gun is not listed on the roster, that it is illegal. This is not the case. You can't buy one from a dealer, but you can buy one from a private party, or bring one with you if you move to California from a free state.

        "Legal" would be the assault weapon and SBS/SBR/AOW laws that ke6guj linked to.
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • #5
          annie c. oakley
          Junior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 16

          CA legal .22 Colt New Frontier 1975

          I was wondering if a 1975 Colt .22 New Frontier is CA legal? I was looking to purchase one off of GunBroker.
          Thank you
          Anne

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          • #6
            laika
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 384

            As I read the charts it is.

            Just my two cents though.
            Originally posted by Rally Dave
            Haha....too much AR shooting and you become a wennie!
            The cure: Buy a Mosin M44 and shoot 100 rounds as fast as you can. When you can handle that, you are good to go.
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            • #7
              annie c. oakley
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 16

              Thank you for the clarification
              Anne

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              • #8
                Cokebottle
                Señor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                GunBroker is a no-go.

                The only Colts that are currently on the roster are a .357 and a few .45ACP. No .22lr are listed on the roster.

                Your only way to get one is to buy one private party from someone in California who can meet you at your local FFL.


                No, it's not illegal, but it is off-roster and can't be bought from a dealer.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #9
                  tzahoy
                  Member
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 449

                  It is legal to possess, but it is not on the roster of safe handguns, nor is it on the olympic exempt list. You can purchase it via a face to face private party transfer where both buyer and seller are present at the FFL doing the transfer. You cannot have it shipped from a seller to an FFL to do the transfer.

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                  • #10
                    smokinjohn
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 12

                    .22 cal colt

                    The Colt in question is a single action revolver and is exempt from the Roster.

                    smokinjohn

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                    • #11
                      annie c. oakley
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 16

                      Wow
                      Thank you all for you efforts...You all make very convincing and logical points. I am however more confused than before...How did buying a 35+ year old single action .22 revolver get sooooooo complicated?
                      Thank you
                      Anne

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                      • #12
                        ke6guj
                        Moderator
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 23725

                        what makes it confusing is that there are two laws in play in your situation.

                        First is, is it legal to possess the handgun in CA? The flowchart deals with that.

                        The second is, is it legal for an FFL to transfer the handgun to you in CA? With this, you have to look at the Roster, or determine if the handgun is roster exempt.
                        Jack



                        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                        • #13
                          tonelar
                          Dinosaur
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 6081

                          OP,

                          The reason you're getting so many different answers is because there're some who don't recognize the new frontier colt revolver. Its a rimfire version of the single action army. There's a whole group of wheelguns that are exempt as long as they are single actions.

                          As long as its barrel is over 3" the Colt your looking at is exempt because its a SAA variant. So to answer your question;
                          YES it's legal for you to buy it. Great choice, by the way.
                          Last edited by tonelar; 05-05-2011, 8:32 PM.
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                          • #14
                            annie c. oakley
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 16

                            Thank you Jack and Tony
                            What defines a handgun as Roster exempt?
                            Last edited by annie c. oakley; 05-05-2011, 8:21 PM.

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                            • #15
                              ke6guj
                              Moderator
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 23725

                              there are a couple exemptions to the roster.

                              12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
                              (b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
                              (3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

                              12132. This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:
                              (g) The sale, loan, or transfer of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person listed as a curio or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
                              (h)(1) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time that the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that fall within the definition of "unsafe handgun" pursuant to paragraph (3) of subdivision (b) of Section 12126 shall be exempt, as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3). (2) This chapter shall not apply to any of the following pistols, because they are consistent with the significant public purpose expressed in paragraph (1):
                              MANUFACTURER MODEL CALIBER
                              ANSCHUTZ FP .22LR
                              BENELLI MP90 .22LR
                              BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
                              BENELLI MP95 .22LR
                              BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
                              DRULOV FP .22LR
                              GREEN ELECTROARM .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 100 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 101 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 102 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 162 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
                              HAMMERLI FP10 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI MP33 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
                              HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
                              MORINI CM102E .22LR
                              MORINI 22M .22LR
                              MORINI 32M .32 S&W LONG
                              MORINI CM80 .22LR
                              PARDINI GP .22 SHORT
                              PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
                              PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
                              PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
                              PARDINI K22 .22LR
                              PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
                              PARDINI PGP75 .22LR
                              PARDINI SP .22LR
                              PARDINI SPE .22LR
                              SAKO FINMASTER .22LR
                              STEYR FP .22LR
                              VOSTOK IZH NO. 1 .22LR
                              VOSTOK MU55 .22LR
                              VOSTOK TOZ35 .22LR
                              WALTHER FP .22LR
                              WALTHER GSP .22LR
                              WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
                              WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
                              WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT



                              12133.
                              (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
                              (1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
                              (2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
                              (3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

                              (b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.




                              In your case, it is 12133(a) that would exempt that handgun.
                              Jack



                              Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                              No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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