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  • Afterburnt
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 808

    Good idea?

    Do you guys think filling standard hollow point cavities with silicone sealant would accomplish the same thing as Hornadys Critical defense loads polymer inserts, Or is this just another dumb idea from yours truly?
    Last edited by Afterburnt; 04-27-2011, 4:37 PM.
    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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    Afterburnt
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 808

    I am going to have to make some jello
    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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    • #3
      cali_armz
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 529

      personally, i wouldnt mess with it. it seems like it could potentially cause a failure if the silicone got jammed up inside the barrel and caused a slug to become lodged in the weapon.

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      • #4
        shooterdude
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 844

        Originally posted by Afterburnt
        Do you guys think filling standard hollow point cavities with silicone sealant would accomplish the same thing as Hornadys Critical defense loads polymer inserts, Or is this just another dumb idea from yours truly?
        Silicone is soft, polymer is hard plastic. Don't do it.
        Using C Products 10 round magazines in my AR-15...just to be "safe"...

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        • #5
          CarlozRossi
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 167

          Wax maybe? I seen some ammo with primers in the cavity sealed with some wax type stuff. I forgot where I saw it. I think on Gunbroker and it was labeled "explosive" lol.

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          • #6
            Mickey D
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 3502

            Millions of dollars of engineering/research and design down the drain with a wad of silicon.
            ***Honesty is the Foundation of One's Character***

            *** In comparing the virtues of various calibers, using hollow point ammo: it is absolutely undeniable that, while a 9 mm or .40 S&W may or may not expand, a .45 will never shrink. ***

            ***Mature Up***

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            • #7
              Afterburnt
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 808

              yeah I was leaning toward "stoopid idea" considering the source LOL
              The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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              • #8
                SantaCabinetguy
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2011
                • 15137

                I see what your getting at but believe it would melt/gum up the barrel/innards. You'd have to find some high temp like resin or something.
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                • #9
                  Can't buy anything here
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2006
                  • 797

                  I would buy some Hornady Critical defense ammo, remove the inserts, and put them in your hollowpoints..then find some other kind of resin to put in the Hornadys...
                  3 day waiting period???? but I'm mad now!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    G lock
                    Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 469

                    I dont see how it would hurt to try it out (besides your wallet), just dont use it regularly. instead of silicone i suggest some type of epoxy putty. do a wet phonebook test and post results

                    Last edited by G lock; 04-27-2011, 11:04 PM.

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                    • #11
                      2nd Shot
                      Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 384

                      I was totally wondering the same earlier. Anything that cold flowed under the hydrostatic pressures generated on impact would probably work - silicone, wax, polyethylene plastic, etc. I seriously doubt any of it would escape the hollow cavity on firing and foul the barrel, though I'd be nervous about the added bullet mass, or causing the hollow point to possibly wedge open a tiny bit on firing causing overpressure/kB.

                      Also, I bet the cavity and jacket of the FTX and other bullets was designed way differently than on a normal JHP to work correctly with the polymer insert. I bet a FTX with the insert removed would perform like crap, and a normal JHP with wax poured in would also work like crap? Obviously, this is something you'd never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do to ammo you'd depend your life on, or possibly at all, if you value your face/eyes/hands...

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                      • #12
                        locosway
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 11346

                        A JHP bullet is designed to expand under certain criteria. If you add an unknown variable to that, such as silicone or wax, you've just changed the entire equation and would need to design the bullet around this new idea.

                        If you want a ballistic tip or that weird expansion tip they're using, then get those rounds, but don't modify yours. The last thing you want is to turn your $1 per round HD ammo into ball ammo.
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