What's the real reason 9mm is so popular?

[bussda]

Frankly, you continue to demonstrate that you do not understand the nature of the discussion or what constitutes a rational argument. Your statements are not credible by the very nature of the fact that they are entirely anecdotal and lacking context or substance. It amounts to no more "data" than repeating that some people used to think the moon was made of green cheese, and that (as some still believe) influenza was caused by cold temperatures. If you don't understand that or feel insulted by that simple application of common sense, it makes it no less so. The insult is inferred on your part, not implied on mine. You'll forgive me for ignoring that which is demonstrably nonsense, and refusing to pretend otherwise for the sake of your ego. It's probably better if you stop digging.

Respectfully, thank you for making the point.

[ZombieTactics]

Respectfully, thank you for making the point.

I made no point on your behalf. You continue to reverse the logical order of operations. Stating that you can't be taken seriously because your argument is nonsense is not the same thing as saying your argument is nonsense because you can't be taken seriously. The latter is ad-hom, the former is not. The remainder of 4-2 is not the same as that of 2-4.

I've just stated a bunch of demonstrable facts, not opinions. You need to learn the difference, and what constitutes a logical statement.

Put the shovel down.

[BamBam-31]

Never argue with a....nevermind.

[cali_armz]

I've been shooting for some time and have guns in many of the popular calibers. One thing I've noticed is that many people on Calguns praise the 9mm as their favorite and all they need. When I cruise the desert looking for spent brass, many times I find 9mm brass more abundantly than other calibers.

I own a Glock 19 and it's a fun gun to shoot, but truthfully I enjoy .45 and .38/.357 a lot more and usually pick those calibers to shoot more often than 9mm. I reload for all of them so price difference isn't really an issue for me to shoot. I just find that I'm more excited when shooting .45, .38 or .357 compared to 9mm.

I shoot the Glock 19 here and there but I tend to get bored shooting it after a while. I'm not trying to bash 9mm at all and I'm not trying to start a caliber debate. I like 9mm, I'm just wondering what the main reason is that so many people say 9mm is their favorite caliber. Is it the price? Accuracy? I find that I'm just as accurate with other calibers yet they seem funner to shoot for me.

So for those who prefer shooting 9mm, what's the main reason why you prefer it?

honestly, i feel the same way you do, to some extent anyway about preferring to shoot larger caliber rounds over 9mm. but i dont reload my ammunition yet, so i usually only shoot 9mm because its so cheap.

[JDW67]

Jesus...give it a rest...you're both pretty...

[sanjm23]

Just got a xd9. Have not who it but my reason was the same. I wanted cheaper ammo and less recoil just to plink. I also have 3 kids that will learn to shoot.

My 10 yr old daughter starts this year and I will start her on a 22 first, then a 9pm then progress from there. He he he don't mess with the daughter of a calgunner!

[HK Dave]

I shoot 9mm for the following reasons...

#1 Time to get back on target
#2 Size of double taps and triple taps
#3 Proven stopping power
#4 Preban mag capacity
#5 Cost
#6 Weight

I appreciate shooting 40, 45, 357sig... they're great fun... all the flash and kick... but if i really needed to use a gun for a life threatening situation, I'd rather use the gun I KNOW i can hit with over and over again at any speed of the trigger pull.

[elSquid]

.45ACP shows marginally better temporary cavities and significantly better permanent cavities in ballistic gel. Coroners and MEs can't tell the difference in actual bodies. I know which "test medium" I think reflects reality better, lol.

The ballistic gel, right?

-- Michael

[Jack L]

This thread has morphed away from the original question.

I have a CCW and many times I rather carry a small 9mm than my Glock 27. I love my Kahr 9mm and it is very reliable. I like the weight and size, it's comfortable, ammo is always available somewhere at an affordable price.

I know zero about combat and LE use of the 9 mm. My knowledge is limited to civilian carry.

To further elaborate on the question. I have a lot of experience with GSWs (gun shot wounds) During my career as a paramedic I witnessed just about every handgun caliber's damage. Dozens and dozens of GSWs. What I came to realize is shot placement was the real determining factor if the round was only penetrating clothing. A 9 mm will kill you dead. I also saw 22 long rifle rounds do the same. .380's, 45's, 38's, and the rest only achieved mortal status with good shot placement. As a CCW citizen, I figure my largest percentage of a chance shooting will be close range and probably not though a barrier. A 9 mm is plenty sufficient in my experience.

One more note; from reading the posts on this forum, I read there is a lot of talk about groupings and how close and accurate one can get. Few, if any, practice the real life scenario gun fight. That is to say firing about as fast as you can pull the trigger. Watch the videos out there, the majority of what I see, the fight lasts a few seconds and guns are blazing and none of them are like standing motionless aiming at a target. Your barrel is up and down and sideways, all over the place. Yesterday I started a new course for me, burring through 100 rounds of rapid firing and 100 rounds of motionless target shooting. I was shocked how terrible I was at rapid fire compared to my nice clean sano target shooting. When SHTF I want to be able to hit my target while full of adrenalin and if rapid firing is necessary.

[Fishslayer]

This thread has morphed away from the original question.

This is true.

And the answer is some people just can't handle the .45.

[Jack L]

This is true.

And the answer is some people just can't handle the .45.

The stainless Kimber Ultra Carry II .45 is a fine handgun at a reasonable price. It has enough weight to make shooting it seem like a cakewalk. Someday one may be mine. After all, there is no such thing as owning too many handguns.

[ap3572001]

I've been shooting for some time and have guns in many of the popular calibers. One thing I've noticed is that many people on Calguns praise the 9mm as their favorite and all they need. When I cruise the desert looking for spent brass, many times I find 9mm brass more abundantly than other calibers.

I own a Glock 19 and it's a fun gun to shoot, but truthfully I enjoy .45 and .38/.357 a lot more and usually pick those calibers to shoot more often than 9mm. I reload for all of them so price difference isn't really an issue for me to shoot. I just find that I'm more excited when shooting .45, .38 or .357 compared to 9mm.

I shoot the Glock 19 here and there but I tend to get bored shooting it after a while. I'm not trying to bash 9mm at all and I'm not trying to start a caliber debate. I like 9mm, I'm just wondering what the main reason is that so many people say 9mm is their favorite caliber. Is it the price? Accuracy? I find that I'm just as accurate with other calibers yet they seem funner to shoot for me.

So for those who prefer shooting 9mm, what's the main reason why you prefer it?

Why a 9mm......

Not in order:

1). Compact pistols seem to work better in 9mm.
2).Full size pistols in 9mm are easy to shoot fast and have less recoil.
3). Threre are plenty of great guns made in 9mm.
4). 9mm SEEMS to be a more feed reliable round than .40 or .45,
5).9mm pistols seem to last longer.
6). with good JHP and JHP+p ammo 9mm has decent enough power.
7). In the states where there is not limit on mag capacity , ULTRA high capacity factory magazines can be obtained for Glock 9mm, Sig 9mm and Beretta 9mm. ( Not for 40 and 45)
8). Quality ammo is less expensive and available.
9).ammo is likely to be available anywhere You are int he world.
10).MOST carbines that use pistol round are in 9mm.

[ap3572001]

I've been shooting for some time and have guns in many of the popular calibers. One thing I've noticed is that many people on Calguns praise the 9mm as their favorite and all they need. When I cruise the desert looking for spent brass, many times I find 9mm brass more abundantly than other calibers.

I own a Glock 19 and it's a fun gun to shoot, but truthfully I enjoy .45 and .38/.357 a lot more and usually pick those calibers to shoot more often than 9mm. I reload for all of them so price difference isn't really an issue for me to shoot. I just find that I'm more excited when shooting .45, .38 or .357 compared to 9mm.

I shoot the Glock 19 here and there but I tend to get bored shooting it after a while. I'm not trying to bash 9mm at all and I'm not trying to start a caliber debate. I like 9mm, I'm just wondering what the main reason is that so many people say 9mm is their favorite caliber. Is it the price? Accuracy? I find that I'm just as accurate with other calibers yet they seem funner to shoot for me.

So for those who prefer shooting 9mm, what's the main reason why you prefer it?

Why a 9mm......

Not in order:

1). Compact pistols seem to work better in 9mm.
2).Full size pistols in 9mm are easy to shoot fast and have less recoil.
3). Threre are plenty of great guns made in 9mm.
4). 9mm SEEMS to be a more feed reliable round than .40 or .45,
5).9mm pistols seem to last longer.
6). with good JHP and JHP+p ammo 9mm has decent enough power.
7). In the states where there is not limit on mag capacity , ULTRA high capacity factory magazines can be obtained for Glock 9mm, Sig 9mm and Beretta 9mm. ( Not for 40 and 45) A GOOD OPTION TO HAVE!
8). Quality ammo is less expensive and available.
9).ammo is likely to be available anywhere You are int he world.
10).MOST carbines that use pistol round are in 9mm.

[pdugan6]

I've been shooting for some time and have guns in many of the popular calibers. One thing I've noticed is that many people on Calguns praise the 9mm as their favorite and all they need. When I cruise the desert looking for spent brass, many times I find 9mm brass more abundantly than other calibers.

I own a Glock 19 and it's a fun gun to shoot, but truthfully I enjoy .45 and .38/.357 a lot more and usually pick those calibers to shoot more often than 9mm. I reload for all of them so price difference isn't really an issue for me to shoot. I just find that I'm more excited when shooting .45, .38 or .357 compared to 9mm.

I shoot the Glock 19 here and there but I tend to get bored shooting it after a while. I'm not trying to bash 9mm at all and I'm not trying to start a caliber debate. I like 9mm, I'm just wondering what the main reason is that so many people say 9mm is their favorite caliber. Is it the price? Accuracy? I find that I'm just as accurate with other calibers yet they seem funner to shoot for me.

So for those who prefer shooting 9mm, what's the main reason why you prefer it?

sounds like you get a thrill out of a bigger bang and recoil right? I like 9mm because it will always be one of the easiest rounds to obtain and with the right ammo will get the job done with no questions asked. Affordability is in its favor as well.

[ZombieTactics]

... I have a lot of experience with GSWs (gun shot wounds) During my career as a paramedic I witnessed just about every handgun caliber's damage. Dozens and dozens of GSWs. What I came to realize is shot placement was the real determining factor if the round was only penetrating clothing. A 9 mm will kill you dead. I also saw 22 long rifle rounds do the same. .380's, 45's, 38's, and the rest only achieved mortal status with good shot placement. As a CCW citizen, I figure my largest percentage of a chance shooting will be close range and probably not though a barrier. A 9 mm is plenty sufficient in my experience. ...

This appears to be the universal testimony of EMTs, paramedics, ER surgeons and nurses, coroners, MEs ... people who are in the best position to actually know something.