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  • tools2teach
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 1936

    Help with flinching the trigger

    What is your technique or mindset when it comes to trigger control? I obviously have problems with placing dummy rounds in random places in the magazine. Especially when it comes to high recoil pistol such as a 45acp. Well with all calibers except for 22.

    Will a 22 conversion from the start and moving on up to a 45acp help me resolve trigger flinching?
    A golf course is a terrible waste of a perfectly good rifle range. -Lt. Col. Dave Grossman
  • #2
    swifty
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 929

    Spend more time and maintain focus on the sight alignment and alignment of the sights on the target. Just increase pressure on the trigger, don't hurry to pull the trigger before the sights move off target.

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    • #3
      erikdjs
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 315

      Dry firing worked best for me.

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      • #4
        Lumpia is sarap!®
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 2267

        Breathe, dry fire, trigger finger placement and press straight back.
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        • #5
          zfields
          CGN Contributor
          • Aug 2010
          • 13658

          dry fire, dummy rounds, and growing a pair : )
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          • #6
            rubber duckie
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 820

            is it due to the anticipation of the kick of that .45? i use to have this problem, as i didn't have problems with 9mm only on my 1911. i just got over thinking about the recoil and flip. just relax and take your shots when your ready. try not to tense up. i found that for me if i would focus to hard, i do worse then letting my body take the shot.

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            • #7
              russ69
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2009
              • 9348

              Originally posted by tools2teach
              Will a 22 conversion from the start and moving on up to a 45acp help me resolve trigger flinching?
              You have it, spend 4X as much time shooting the 22LR. Shoot the 45, then go back to the 22LR.
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              • #8
                wu_dot_com
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 1362

                i wouldn't recommend relaxing. since when the gun goes bang, your muscle will tense up as reflex.

                here is what you should do.

                before you start shooting, make sure your trigger finger is position so it will only pull straight back. post a blank paper and shoot at the center of the paper. having an actual target will serve as distraction. when you are doing your shots, try to achieve the feel for trigger break to be a roll off, not break like glass. be mindful that your pull speed is constant, i.e. your finger should not full faster towards the end. you need to watch the sights to make sure its not disturb during the pull. perform proper follow through by not letting off the trigger pressure after the shot breaks, and reposition your point of aim immediately after recoil have been settle.

                keep your muscle tense at the same tension through the shots. pay special attention to your wrist. make sure its firm and tighten throughout and after the pull. if your wrist is weak, straighten it with one of those dynaflex gyroball. we are not born with the ability to stiffen our wrist, so its a feeling that you need to develop.

                last, the shooting processes goes like this, PULL, NO BREATH, AIM. aiming is last.

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                • #9
                  jpscoot_21
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 1186

                  So me good techniques:
                  Grip hard enough until you get muscle tremors, then back off, until it stops.

                  This one I learned in bootcamp, but it's for a *****cat 5.56/.223 round:acronym BRASS
                  B.reath until you have 3/4 of your breath out

                  R.elax all body movement

                  A.im

                  S.top all movement

                  S.queeze trigger, so it's kind of a surprise, when it goes off.
                  Last edited by jpscoot_21; 04-11-2011, 12:05 AM. Reason: I don't know why pxssycat got ***s, but I like wu dot com's tips also.

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                  • #10
                    Grumpyoldretiredcop
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 6437

                    If you don't have anyone to help you by loading dummy rounds for you, dry fire is the next best bet. Concentrate on focusing on the front sight as the hammer falls. When the sights stay in alignment as the dry fire shot breaks, then go to live fire.
                    I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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                    • #11
                      wu_dot_com
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 1362

                      Originally posted by jpscoot_21
                      So me good techniques:
                      Grip hard enough until you get muscle tremors, then back off, until it stops.

                      This one I learned in bootcamp, but it's for a *****cat 5.56/.223 round:acronym BRASS
                      B.reath until you have 3/4 of your breath out

                      R.elax all body movement

                      A.im

                      S.top all movement

                      S.queeze trigger, so it's kind of a surprise, when it goes off.
                      OP if you read this, you will notice that aiming is first while i am telling you to aim last.

                      what JP is talking about is the general school of thought. its easier to teach, and it takes less time to attain the skill.

                      however, there are limitation to the processes. aiming first and stopping all movements require tremendous amount of mental concentration. most of us have limited amount of concentration before our mind wonders. so by aiming first then settle in the movements would require you to spent much of your concentration before the trigger is even pulled. as a result, many shooters will speed up their trigger pull trying to break the shots before they loose their concentration. however, when they speed up the shots, it will disturb the sight alignment.

                      the aiming last school of thought is developed by Olympic shooters. its a harder skill to master because the aiming and settling period is very short. however, this processes ensure that your concentration is kept as short as possible where you can focus your concentration when you need it the most. in this method, your concentration is spent during each trigger pull upto moment where each shot breaks.

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                      • #12
                        HealthyGunz
                        Junior Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 88

                        Originally posted by tools2teach
                        What is your technique or mindset when it comes to trigger control? I obviously have problems with placing dummy rounds in random places in the magazine. Especially when it comes to high recoil pistol such as a 45acp. Well with all calibers except for 22.

                        Will a 22 conversion from the start and moving on up to a 45acp help me resolve trigger flinching?
                        Practice dry-firing at something. It will seriously help. However, what also helps is this piece of advice: when you pull the trigger, pull it as if you are flicking a lightswitch. In other words, literally convince your brain that you are not firing a gun but you are actually just pulling a switch. That's all it really is any way, a switch. The best way to do this is to start by going to the shooting range and slowly pulling back the trigger until the gun fires... Just pull it back very slow and let the gun surprise you. Most of the time, "recoil" is Hollywood. Pistols don't exert nearly the amount of recoil as in the movies. Another thing you need to do is be aware of your trigger finger. Only the PAD of your finger should be pulling the trigger. That means the meaty part of the tip of your finger, NOT the joint. By placing the first joint on the trigger, you jerk the pistol slightly to the right if you are right handed or left if you use the left hand.
                        Last edited by HealthyGunz; 04-11-2011, 12:25 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Spirit 1
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 591

                          For some folks what works best is some casual 'Snap shooting'. That is to aim your pistol in direction of target offhand, with a steady grip & not limp wristing, at most using only the front sight if even that. Pop a cap casually, as close to on target as possible in a relaxed manner. This can get you used to the gun and it's recoil, that it isn't something to anticipate, just becomes sorta ho-hum.

                          Fact is, it's a pretty handy skill to develop, especially in defensive shooting. It's good to learn to know where you're naturally pointing, other than using the sights on the gun!

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                          • #14
                            wu_dot_com
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1362

                            Originally posted by HealthyGunz
                            Practice dry-firing at something. It will seriously help. However, what also helps is this piece of advice: when you pull the trigger, pull it as if you are flicking a lightswitch. In other words, literally convince your brain that you are not firing a gun but you are actually just pulling a switch. That's all it really is any way, a switch. The best way to do this is to start by going to the shooting range and slowly pulling back the trigger until the gun fires... Just pull it back very slow and let the gun surprise you. Most of the time, "recoil" is Hollywood. Pistols don't exert nearly the amount of recoil as in the movies. Another thing you need to do is be aware of your trigger finger. Only the PAD of your finger should be pulling the trigger. That means the meaty part of the tip of your finger, NOT the joint. By using the joint, you jerk the pistol slightly to the right if you are right handed or left if you use the left hand.
                            i used to hold that believe until i realize the position of the finger actually matters more than the location of finger placement.

                            by position i mean the finger must be in contact in such a way that only backward motion is experience by the gun. if you have too much or too little trigger finger, i.e. the pad of the finger is position on the left or right of the trigger center line, you will experience the same effect as if you were improperly pulling the trigger using your first joint.

                            ive just verified that it is possible to pull the trigger using your first joint w/o disrupting sight picture as long as the pull is directly back to the gun. keep in mind that the base of your trigger finger (3rd link) needs to be isolated from the grip of the gun (not touching).

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                            • #15
                              rubber duckie
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 820

                              Originally posted by Spirit 1
                              For some folks what works best is some casual 'Snap shooting'. That is to aim your pistol in direction of target offhand, with a steady grip & not limp wristing, at most using only the front sight if even that. Pop a cap casually, as close to on target as possible in a relaxed manner. This can get you used to the gun and it's recoil, that it isn't something to anticipate, just becomes sorta ho-hum.

                              Fact is, it's a pretty handy skill to develop, especially in defensive shooting. It's good to learn to know where you're naturally pointing, other than using the sights on the gun!
                              this works great. so you dont have to depend on your sights, just muscle memory. makes it one less thing to worry about when you pull that trigger.

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